How Many Vaccines In Wales Today ?

[olderblue]

Re: How Many Vaccines In Wales Today ?

I would say it's a great effort by the NHS, Army and volunteers.
Well done to all

[goats]

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I would say it's a great effort by the NHS, Army and volunteers.
Well done to all

Yes to the mgt of all the various health bodies around Wales.....stepped up

[the other bob wilson]

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Nope, no one joining me in eating humble pie yet, just a marked reluctance to give the WAG any credit it seems.

[olderblue]

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Let's give credit where it is due, not to the people who want to bask in the glory off others hard work and effort

[the other bob wilson]

Re: How Many Vaccines In Wales Today ?

Let's give credit where it is due, not to the people who want to bask in the glory off others hard work and effort

That line would be more justified if the WAG hadn’t been held solely to blame by many when it looked like things were going badly wrong on the vaccine front. It should go without saying that great credit goes to the NHS and all of the other parties that have helped to ensure the target was reached, but it’s hypocritical to hold a body responsible for something looking like going wrong and then not give it credit when everything turns out to be okay.

[xsnaggle]

Re: How Many Vaccines In Wales Today ?

That line would be more justified if the WAG hadn’t been held solely to blame by many when it looked like things were going badly wrong on the vaccine front. It should go without saying that great credit goes to the NHS and all of the other parties that have helped to ensure the target was reached, but it’s hypocritical to hold a body responsible for something looking like going wrong and then not give it credit when everything turns out to be okay.

To be fair I think they have done very well. But what caused the outcry was not what was actually happening but Drakeford's stupid comment regarding people standing about doing nothing.
If he had nor made such a silly remark I don't think there would have been any complaint in the first place, people would have just accepted the vaccination roll out takes time.

[Rjk]

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To be fair I think they have done very well. But what caused the outcry was not what was actually happening but Drakeford's stupid comment regarding people standing about doing nothing.
If he had nor made such a silly remark I don't think there would have been any complaint in the first place, people would have just accepted the vaccination roll out takes time.

I'm afraid not, some people have been looking for any opportunity to criticize the Welsh government, you only have to see how quickly people have pivoted from complaining about the numbers and the roll out if the vaccine to now questioning why the economy isn't opening up yet.

you can say the same about people criticising the Tory government too, although most people are happy to acknowledge they at least got the vaccines right

[goats]

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Nope, no one joining me in eating humble pie yet, just a marked reluctance to give the WAG any credit it seems.

Your buddy has done well, think the real work was done behind the scenes mind

[Former Labour leader]

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That line would be more justified if the WAG hadn’t been held solely to blame by many when it looked like things were going badly wrong on the vaccine front. It should go without saying that great credit goes to the NHS and all of the other parties that have helped to ensure the target was reached, but it’s hypocritical to hold a body responsible for something looking like going wrong and then not give it credit when everything turns out to be okay.

It is noticeable, even on this MB, which is generally fair minded, very little credit is being given to WG.
I realise I am biased, but I dont think it unreasonable to say that Mark Drakeford has made a very good impression over the last 12 months, speaking with clarity and purpose (which is more than can be said for BJ), yet the one occasion when he slipped up- I think he was trying to be too honest- everyone jumps on him.
For years of being criticised by Westminster over Welsh NHS it is great to see things going right for a change. The simple matter is Wales NHS has been starved of funds by Westminster for years, but this time money has been no object so the WG and NHS has been able to do the job properly without having one hand tied behind it's back.

[Pearcey3]

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It is noticeable, even on this MB, which is generally fair minded, very little credit is being given to WG.
I realise I am biased, but I dont think it unreasonable to say that Mark Drakeford has made a very good impression over the last 12 months, speaking with clarity and purpose (which is more than can be said for BJ), yet the one occasion when he slipped up- I think he was trying to be too honest- everyone jumps on him.
For years of being criticised by Westminster over Welsh NHS it is great to see things going right for a change. The simple matter is Wales NHS has been starved of funds by Westminster for years, but this time money has been no object so the WG and NHS has been able to do the job properly without having one hand tied behind it's back.

+1

[the other bob wilson]

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Bit of a concern that new cases rose to over six hundred, but there were more tests than what has become the norm and the rate of infection was still less than one in ten. Vaccines figure is up to 716,000 which I think means that there were a higher than usual amount done yesterday, while twenty five deaths is in line with the downward trend of this week.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/public.health.wales.health.protection#!/vizhome/RapidCOVID-19virology-Public/Headlinesummary

[Vindec]

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+1

I'm not sure that being starved of funds is entirely the fault of the UK government. Some fault probably but not necessarily the total fault although it is really very difficult to establish that point. The money the WG receives from Westminster is unhypothecated; that means they can spend the cash they receive on anything they want. When I worked in that sector many years ago money was often taken from one element of expenditure to fund another. All Parties would do it so this isn't a criticism; I'm merely pointing out that it is difficult to establish.

As for Drakeford making a very good impression over the last 12 months I think that depends on the individual's political stance. Certainly at times during the process Wales has not done that well especially in terms of the number of cases which arguably is due in part to mistakes made. This article here is a snapshot and is probably not totally representative but does show at times things have not been that great:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55302591

What can be said is that the vaccine roll out in Wales has been an unqualified success which didn't look as though it would be the case earlier on.

[City123]

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It is noticeable, even on this MB, which is generally fair minded, very little credit is being given to WG.
I realise I am biased, but I dont think it unreasonable to say that Mark Drakeford has made a very good impression over the last 12 months, speaking with clarity and purpose (which is more than can be said for BJ), yet the one occasion when he slipped up- I think he was trying to be too honest- everyone jumps on him.
For years of being criticised by Westminster over Welsh NHS it is great to see things going right for a change. The simple matter is Wales NHS has been starved of funds by Westminster for years, but this time money has been no object so the WG and NHS has been able to do the job properly without having one hand tied behind it's back.

Nobody hates the Welsh more than the Welsh, some people will take any chance to complain about the "gravy train" in Cardiff Bay, but remain remarkably silent on the Westminster government handing out contract to their mates

[Rjk]

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Bit of a concern that new cases rose to over six hundred, but there were more tests than what has become the norm and the rate of infection was still less than one in ten. Vaccines figure is up to 716,000 which I think means that there were a higher than usual amount done yesterday, while twenty five deaths is in line with the downward trend of this week.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/p...eadlinesummary

I think there was a bit of catching up with test results, as the 600 odd were spread over a few days. I find it more useful to look at the graph of cases as the daily figure bounces around a lot.

[Pearcey3]

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I'm not sure that being starved of funds is entirely the fault of the UK government. Some fault probably but not necessarily the total fault although it is really very difficult to establish that point. The money the WG receives from Westminster is unhypothecated; that means they can spend the cash they receive on anything they want. When I worked in that sector many years ago money was often taken from one element of expenditure to fund another. All Parties would do it so this isn't a criticism; I'm merely pointing out that it is difficult to establish.

As for Drakeford making a very good impression over the last 12 months I think that depends on the individual's political stance. Certainly at times during the process Wales has not done that well especially in terms of the number of cases which arguably is due in part to mistakes made. This article here is a snapshot and is probably not totally representative but does show at times things have not been that great:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55302591

What can be said is that the vaccine roll out in Wales has been an unqualified success which didn't look as though it would be the case earlier on.

The Welsh Assembly is nearly always slagged off and Drakeford is usually written off as a waste of space. He was hammered last month over that quote about holding back the vaccines. So I do think it’s only fair that he gets some praise for how speedily the most vulnerable have been vaccinated. As you say it’s by no means been perfect but he has generally been more cautious in his approach than the Tory Govt.