Songs Of Praise

[RonnieBird]

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[QUOTE=lisvaneblue;5169305]

Interesting debate and your views and those of Heisenberg is proof indeed that humans have the free will that God graced us with. Your comments about Jesus surprise me as your birth is measured by the days and years since his birth. A person that was so insignificant, according to you, that the world counts time by him.

Whether you believe in God or not the immense order and interdependence of species on earth indicates that it came about by more that chance chaos.

Personally I believe that God created heaven and earth and all things visible and invisible. In his creation is the blueprint for everything. There are some certainties, ...'from ash we came and to ash we will return', and that applies to all life.

I have a good mate a very famous scientist. He was the first person to discover a drug to successfully treat what was, not so long ago, a disease that killed a lot of people. Did he discover something 'new' in the sense that it didn't exist before? No, it was there in God's blueprint and he found out how to use it to help mankind. You could say the same about science and Covid vaccines

I mention balance and interdependence in life and the comments you and others have made questioning why God did not get rid of Covid, or save ill children, or feed the hungry. It's hard to take but how can he? The answers are in our hands not his. Divine intervention might be the answer you want to hear but there will be consequences in changing the blueprint of nature We see it ourselves in what we do to this planet, be it climate change, or war, or insecticides killing bees and affecting plant pollination..we are screwing up the blueprint that keeps everything in balance.

And finally there is the assumption that God has it all his own way as long as it's good. Sounds a bit dramatic but there are good and evil forces in this world and they compete for supremacy. There are the same forces in every human being and we only need to look through a newspaper of history book to see for ourselves.
But, for sure God is there to support you if you ask him and he will never turn his back on you, even if you turn your back on him

A wise and uplifting post in the face of determined denial.

[Croesy Blue]

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Personally I believe that God created heaven and earth and all things visible and invisible.

So god did create lukemia for kids then?

Bit off like.

[goats]

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My general view of religion/god stuff is if it makes you happy, you need it etc then crack on, enjoy. It’s only when they try and push their often bizarre views on people it bothers me....just leave it, enjoy it, but leave me out of it.

[UNDERHILL1927]

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So god did create lukemia for kids then?

Bit off like.

I'll leave it to someone much more eloquent than me to explain my point of view.

https://youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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It's funny how scientology is openly mocked because it's a "made up" religion, other than being modern how is it any different from any of the others?

There is a saying that says something like if you experience a hallucination you are considered to be wacko but if you can convince enough other people that you saw it, it can become classified as a religion.

[pomeroy]

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A wise and uplifting post in the face of determined denial.

It is neither wise nor uplifting. There is not the slightest shred of evidence for the existence of a God.

[pomeroy]

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My general view of religion/god stuff is if it makes you happy, you need it etc then crack on, enjoy. It’s only when they try and push their often bizarre views on people it bothers me....just leave it, enjoy it, but leave me out of it.

It is morally indefensible to believe in something that is manifestly untrue because it makes you feel good.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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It is neither wise nor uplifting. There is not the slightest shred of evidence for the existence of a God.

I believe in talking polka-dot cabbages riding three-headed manitees made of marshmallow. Try disproving their existence.
You can't - so perhaps you need to reconsider your attitude about such things, pomeroy.

[lisvaneblue]

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You make the mistake of referring to natural selection as chance chaos. It is not. Darwin’s great work has nothing to do with chance and subsequent discoveries ( Crick and Watson and DNA ) have proved conclusively that there is no longer a debate worth having between creationism and evolution. Membership of the Flat Earth Society has also been dwindling in recent times and the Catholic Church issued a grovelling apology some time ago to Galileo for suggesting the Earth went round the sun and not vice versa.
You also make the mistake of stating that we are endowed with free will. This is as big a delusion as belief in God. We are merely products of luck and decisions that we may make are determined by myriads of factors that impose upon us. Try telling the child born with an incurable congenital disease that it has free will.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for the existence of God. Remember that where you are born will, in most cases, determine which God you follow be it Allah, Jehovah, Shiva, Jesus, Zoroaster, Buddha and the thousands of Gods prevalent in all corners of the Earth. This is obviously not a matter of free will but engineered by man. It is all made up just like the lunatic conception of original sin and redemption.

Crick did not prove conclusively in the way you say. Crick said that Darwin's work coupled with Gregor Mendel work indicated how life was created. Mendel was a Christian and an Abbott at a priory in , I think, Germany.

[goats]

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It is morally indefensible to believe in something that is manifestly untrue because it makes you feel good.

They believe it’s all true though like a few in this thread

[lisvaneblue]

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It is morally indefensible to believe in something that is manifestly untrue because it makes you feel good.

You mean like watching Eastenders?

[delmbox]

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You mean like watching Eastenders?

Only if you thinks that the characters in Eastenders are real

[splott parker]

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You mean like watching Eastenders?

Watching Eastenders makes you feel good???? It’s wrist slashing TV....... Kevin’s safe in Coronation St though, that’s uplifting:thumbup:

[pomeroy]

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I believe in talking polka-dot cabbages riding three-headed manitees made of marshmallow. Try disproving their existence.
You can't - so perhaps you need to reconsider your attitude about such things, pomeroy.

The onus of proof is on you to prove that the things you refer to do in fact exist. I don’t have to prove that they don’t exist. End of story.

[pomeroy]

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Crick did not prove conclusively in the way you say. Crick said that Darwin's work coupled with Gregor Mendel work indicated how life was created. Mendel was a Christian and an Abbott at a priory in , I think, Germany.

Crick and Watson filled in the gaps in Darwin’s work and established conclusively the concept of hereditary genetics by science based experimentation. I suggest reading Dawkins’ “ The Selfish Gene”. Mendel’s great work was largely ignored due to hysteria about Darwin.
He was indeed a monk in Germany.