The Labour Party Is Finished And Must Merge With Others To Challenge Tories

[Former Labour leader]

Re: The Labour Party Is Finished And Must Merge With Others To Challenge Tories

Serious question to the Tories on here. What do you think a Tory led government in Wales would do better for the people of Wales than a Labour or Plaid one, or do you want the Welsh government abolished?

[lisvaneblue]

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I wouldn't believe a word the tories say about the relief road

Drakeford has got to go , he's a dead duck , I would have eluned morgan in charge , very capable and intelligent woman

I think the M4 relief road will happen if tories win. Grant Shapps has already said he has the money for it, but Drakeford reminded him that transport is a devolved matter and the Gwent Levels are more important.

In my opinion Drakeford has become quite a thorn in Wales side. He is incapable of making big decisions in a timely way and has washed Wales economy onto the rocks. An example...are caravan sites open for Easter? He said a few weeks ago that it might happen on 27th March. Now he says he will decide on 25/26th March whether that will go ahead! How are businesses supposed to handle this sort of indecision from the top?

His record with Covid is none too good, his firebreak was a disaster as was is his timing of the latest lockdown on 20 December. Done with hardly any notice and people rushing into shops for last chance Christmas shopping. No wonder at the time we had the third worse incidence of Covid in the world.

People say he's done better than Boris, but when you look at the figures there's not much in it, and currently Wales are showing worse figures in UK per head of population for hospitalisation of Covid patients.

The sooner he goes the better

[neilw65]

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I think the M4 relief road will happen if tories win. Grant Shapps has already said he has the money for it, but Drakeford reminded him that transport is a devolved matter and the Gwent Levels are more important.

In my opinion Drakeford has become quite a thorn in Wales side. He is incapable of making big decisions in a timely way and has washed Wales economy onto the rocks. An example...are caravan sites open for Easter? He said a few weeks ago that it might happen on 27th March. Now he says he will decide on 25/26th March whether that will go ahead! How are businesses supposed to handle this sort of indecision from the top?

His record with Covid is none too good, his firebreak was a disaster as was is his timing of the latest lockdown on 20 December. Done with hardly any notice and people rushing into shops for last chance Christmas shopping. No wonder at the time we had the third worse incidence of Covid in the world.

People say he's done better than Boris, but when you look at the figures there's not much in it, and currently Wales are showing worse figures in UK per head of population for hospitalisation of Covid patients.

The sooner he goes the better

quick question, why do you refer to the first minister of Wales by his surname, and the prime minister by one of his middle names and not his surname?

[cardiff55]

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I'm a Labour Party member but not a fan of Drakeford.
I don't want independence so wouldn't vote for Plaid Cymru.
I said I would never vote Tory, so won't and Andrew 'RT' Davies is thoroughly dislikable, and talks like a dodgy double glazing salesman.
Do UKIP stand in Wales? I thought their boat had sailed.
LiB Dems is a wasted vote.

Actually they should scrap the lot and save a load of money. The civil servants would still be around in the Welsh Office. But all the well paid politicians would be gone.

I was canvassed by a prospective Labour Party candidate at the local hustings in October 2019, who asked me if I had any questions for her. My question was "What particularly attracts you to the job that carries a salary of £76,000 p.a. plus expenses". I received no answer.

[xsnaggle]

Re: The Labour Party Is Finished And Must Merge With Others To Challenge Tories

Serious question to the Tories on here. What do you think a Tory led government in Wales would do better for the people of Wales than a Labour or Plaid one, or do you want the Welsh government abolished?

I don't particularly think any would be better than another but what is seriously not good is the same party ruling for years and years and knowing they will win the next election so not really caring about the voters except on the run up to polling day.
Familiarity breeds contempt!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I think the M4 relief road will happen if tories win. Grant Shapps has already said he has the money for it, but Drakeford reminded him that transport is a devolved matter and the Gwent Levels are more important.

In my opinion Drakeford has become quite a thorn in Wales side. He is incapable of making big decisions in a timely way and has washed Wales economy onto the rocks. An example...are caravan sites open for Easter? He said a few weeks ago that it might happen on 27th March. Now he says he will decide on 25/26th March whether that will go ahead! How are businesses supposed to handle this sort of indecision from the top?

His record with Covid is none too good, his firebreak was a disaster as was is his timing of the latest lockdown on 20 December. Done with hardly any notice and people rushing into shops for last chance Christmas shopping. No wonder at the time we had the third worse incidence of Covid in the world.

People say he's done better than Boris, but when you look at the figures there's not much in it, and currently Wales are showing worse figures in UK per head of population for hospitalisation of Covid patients.

The sooner he goes the better

I think drakeford is hopeless , I want him gone but I don't want the tories ruling Wales

They do on many things but to completely give over power to them would be unthinkable for me and I would knock it on the head

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I'm a Labour Party member but not a fan of Drakeford.
I don't want independence so wouldn't vote for Plaid Cymru.
I said I would never vote Tory, so won't and Andrew 'RT' Davies is thoroughly dislikable, and talks like a dodgy double glazing salesman.
Do UKIP stand in Wales? I thought their boat had sailed.
LiB Dems is a wasted vote.

Actually they should scrap the lot and save a load of money. The civil servants would still be around in the Welsh Office. But all the well paid politicians would be gone.

I was canvassed by a prospective Labour Party candidate at the local hustings in October 2019, who asked me if I had any questions for her. My question was "What particularly attracts you to the job that carries a salary of £76,000 p.a. plus expenses". I received no answer.

I was seeing a Welsh speaking Welsh nationalist at the time of the yes vote for the Welsh assembly. She persuaded me to vote yes only to tell me the next day she and her mum had gone shopping in Cardiff and forget to vote .

That sums up Wales for me , talk the talk

As for the assembly its bullshit but not having it means that the tories would over run Wales completely

[City123]

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Plaid are far more socialist than labour will ever be but I am totally opposed to independence so couldn't ever vote plaids, unless it was to keep a tory out

Socialism is impossible as part of a British state, I'll never understand why some socialists and left wingers are so wedded to the union, you'll never get what you want

[Tuerto]

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All i can say, is this. I can't believe that people in this thread really believe that central government Labour is Left Wing. Corbyn Was left wing, he wasn't even far left. And people call for a centrist party, that's Labour, with smatterings of right wing policy.

[Gofer Blue]

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I wouldn't believe a word the tories say about the relief road

Drakeford has got to go , he's a dead duck , I would have eluned morgan in charge , very capable and intelligent woman

I think the M4 relief road would go ahead if the Tories win. As has been said, Shapp has said there is money available but Drakeford scuppered the plans because protecting the Gwent levels was more important in his opinion. There is a plan on the Internet showing the route of the relief road and only a small portion of it would actually pass through the levels, the vast majority of the area would be untouched. I believe the flora and fauna will always adapt to the situation it finds itself in anyway, short of a catastrophic destruction of the land.

(https://www.transport-network.co.uk/...rice-tag/13873)

I presume where the road does cross the levels then it would have to be as bridges due to the boggy nature of the ground?

Re: Eluned Morgan. I have met her on a couple of occasions and as you say she seems a very capable and intelligent lady and with a genuine concern for people. Would be a good choice for first minister.

[rich munn]

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All i can say, is this. I can't believe that people in this thread really believe that central government Labour is Left Wing. Corbyn Was left wing, he wasn't even far left. And people call for a centrist party, that's Labour, with smatterings of right wing policy.

It is interesting that in this purely political thread there has been hardly any discussion of the policies of different parties and where they would lead the country. That sort of debate seems to be dead.

The M4 relief road is an important topic, but it's not a party policy.

[Tuerto]

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It is interesting that in this purely political thread there has been hardly any discussion of the policies of different parties and where they would lead the country. That sort of debate seems to be dead.

The M4 relief road is an important topic, but it's not a party policy.

Fair shout. We can all be guilty of a bit of political self serving, i know that i can be guilty of it. My biggest concern is services in Wales,, the Tories will attack them, they always have.

[life on mars]

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I wouldn't believe a word the tories say about the relief road

Drakeford has got to go , he's a dead duck , I would have eluned morgan in charge , very capable and intelligent woman

Didn't Drakeford as Health Minister oversea a huge cut in the health budget in Wales which may have played a part in Wales not having suffident spare capacity for events like Covid

Worth a read:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/01/26/mark-drakeford-the-failings-of-an-authoritarian-windbag/

[tforturton]

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The Senedd is fiddling while Wales burns. They argue amongst themselves about things that don't matter, while the country is being left behind the rest of the UK. They are so puffed up with their own importance, they've forgotten what they are there for - to work for Wales, and to look out for it's interests. Wales has gone backwards in the last twenty years, and that rate in which we are falling behind is accelerating. Something has to change.
People in Wales have a built-in tendency to vote for Labour (right or wrong) and that has led to complacency and a lack of will amongst it's politicians. Why bother trying, if you're going to get elected anyway? The Senedd is a talking shop for second rate politicians who couldn't make the grade at Westminster. It's time for a change.

[xsnaggle]

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The Senedd is fiddling while Wales burns. They argue amongst themselves about things that don't matter, while the country is being left behind the rest of the UK. They are so puffed up with their own importance, they've forgotten what they are there for - to work for Wales, and to look out for it's interests. Wales has gone backwards in the last twenty years, and that rate in which we are falling behind is accelerating. Something has to change.
People in Wales have a built-in tendency to vote for Labour (right or wrong) and that has led to complacency and a lack of will amongst it's politicians. Why bother trying, if you're going to get elected anyway? The Senedd is a talking shop for second rate politicians who couldn't make the grade at Westminster. It's time for a change.

I think that is basically what I said.