The Labour Party Is Finished And Must Merge With Others To Challenge Tories

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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'Cameron was thatchers love child and alongside that we had Ed milligan who again was a nice bloke but totally incompetent as a leader and crucified by the right wing press'

Sludge, I hope you aren't one of those people who think Ed's brother Spike would have been a better leader?

Christ no , he was right behind Blair regarding Iraq

I thought Andy Burnham would have made a good leader

And David Lammy

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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I feel sorry for Starmer. He's intelligent, conscientious and qualified but not particularly television friendly, which these days seems to mean an entertaining but incompetent, lying crook. We like the drama more than anything, and any talk of having a "leader" is waffle, seeing as the only definition of that seems to be posh, rich and forthright.

If we'd voted for Milliband, who didn't get in cos he was seen as weird (so there's an exception to drama rule - you have to be mainstream drama) then he would've done as good a job as Cameron (not difficult) and we'd still be in the EU. It's all presentation, and it's pathetic.

[xsnaggle]

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Christ no , he was right behind Blair regarding Iraq

I thought Andy Burnham would have made a good leader

And David Lammy

I can't decide whether I think Jon's post was a whoosh or not. :hehe:

[jon1959]

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I can't decide whether I think Jon's post was a whoosh or not. :hehe:

:hehe:

[WJ99mobile]

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Christ no , he was right behind Blair regarding Iraq

I thought Andy Burnham would have made a good leader

And David Lammy

David Lammy comes across as an arsehole

[Hilts]

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The next general election is a long way away.

Starmer needs to get nastier as the pandemic ends.

Having this bunch of idiots voted in again woukd make the UK looks as bad as the US loons voting in Trump.

[Tuerto]

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Like Sludge, The Labour Party has Convinced itself that working class people are right wing and Nationalistic. It's part of the Narrative now Starmer is in charge.

[City123]

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Like Sludge, The Labour Party has Convinced itself that working class people are right wing and Nationalistic. It's part of the Narrative now Starmer is in charge.

Labour are filled with paternalistic "we know best types" who think the working classes are swayed by the allure of a union flag

[life on mars]

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What Labour need to work out is why this happened :

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-results-working-class-age-tories-labour-boris-johnson-yougov-a9249936.html

[chris lee]

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What Labour need to work out is why this happened :

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9249936.html

Simple they do not represent the working class, have not for a long time.

[City123]

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Simple they do not represent the working class, have not for a long time.

And the Conservatives do?

[City123]

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What Labour need to work out is why this happened :

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9249936.html

Brexit and the full frontal assault from the media on their leader for 4 years most likely :shrug:

[Tuerto]

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Labour are filled with paternalistic "we know best types" who think the working classes are swayed by the allure of a union flag

Absolutely. Lisa Nandy is one of the worst. Every interview she does is an attack on the Tories for not being Hard enough on Russian interference and the supposed trade war with china, also ramping up the notion that China is spying on the UK. Saying that the Tories haven't been hard enough on Shamima Begum, talking about national security like it's an imminent threat and slagging of Corbyn for not joining in with National threats towards russia. She really is a shit bag, even her own father described her as right wing. This is the line Labour are taking, unfortunately. Purposely aimed at a certain section of people.

[chris lee]

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And the Conservatives do?

No they do not, but my theory ( all be it a poor one) is that at least people know what they are getting with the torries, where as Labour tend to come across as very sanctimonious and it does not sit well with people, it makes them very unlikeable, where as it is easier to accept a knob when they do not pretend to be anything but.

[the other bob wilson]

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No they do not, but my theory ( all be it a poor one) is that at least people know what they are getting with the torries, where as Labour tend to come across as very sanctimonious and it does not sit well with people, it makes them very unlikeable, where as it is easier to accept a knob when they do not pretend to be anything but.

So many Conservatives seem to think they've got to diss the party they vote for - is it a way of making them feel better about themselves?