MY CITY MY SHIRT

[dml1954]

Re: MY CITY MY SHIRT

What utter bollox. Having a few morons who can’t hold their beer and use racist language is one thing, but suggesting Cardiff had a hooligan element who seeked out black or Asian supporters to dish out violence, im sorry but that’s utter, utter bollox.

Some of the main players in the Soul Crew in the 80s and 90s were black lads.

You go from denying it ever happened at all, to trying to make out that it was an isolated few and that there was no violence or racism involved. Well, I am telling you that I saw it and heard it and you admit that you weren't even following City at the time. Once again you think that only your opinion is valid and that you know everything. Well sorry to burst your bubble, you obviously aren't as clever as you think. You toddle along believing what you like. The longer people like you do that, the less likely it is that the problem will ever be fully and finally solved.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You go from denying it ever happened at all, to trying to make out that it was an isolated few and that there was no violence or racism involved. Well, I am telling you that I saw it and heard it and you admit that you weren't even following City at the time. Once again you think that only your opinion is valid and that you know everything. Well sorry to burst your bubble, you obviously aren't as clever as you think. You toddle along believing what you like. The longer people like you do that, the less likely it is that the problem will ever be fully and finally solved.

We have had some idiots following us over the years and a minority of our fans have racist views and some have acted those views out

But groups of Cardiff fans travelling to say Birmingham with the intent of confronting Black and Asian people ?

No , I am sorry that is incorrect . I have no doubt and have witnessed racist behaviour from Cardiff fans from time to time but not organised racist gang attacks .

Banging the windows on a coach at Asian people is pathetic behaviour and embarrassing but travelling to another city to attack ethnic minority people ?

Thats not happened

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Re: MY CITY MY SHIRT

Good discussion about this on the latest A Bit of Swazz podcast

https://twitter.com/SwazzPod/status/1377885763417874432?s=20

[dml1954]

Re: MY CITY MY SHIRT

We have had some idiots following us over the years and a minority of our fans have racist views and some have acted those views out

But groups of Cardiff fans travelling to say Birmingham with the intent of confronting Black and Asian people ?

No , I am sorry that is incorrect . I have no doubt and have witnessed racist behaviour from Cardiff fans from time to time but not organised racist gang attacks .

Banging the windows on a coach at Asian people is pathetic behaviour and embarrassing but travelling to another city to attack ethnic minority people ?

Thats not happened

Sorry but yes it has. In the late 70’s, 80’s and early 90’s I used to go to every home game and about 8 or 9 away games a season, mainly around London or up North, because I lived away from South Wales for work. I would usually go by car and made a point of never going in the City fans section as I actually wanted to watch the football and avoid any trouble. I would either go in one if the main grandstands or possibly in the family area of the home fans. I would park away from the ground and walk to it. In those days it was easy to pay on the gate or buy a ticket on the day. Walking to the grounds I witnessed all sorts of things, including groups of Cardiff fans wandering around causing trouble both verbally and physically. Intimidating local residents and yes attacking small or larger groups of mainly Asian youths for no good reason. It is true that there were black ‘kids’ in the Cardiff hardcore ‘fans’ around that time but anyone who thinks that Black and Asian youths had any respect or liking for each other or avoided confrontation with each other in those times would be sadly deluded. The atmosphere within grounds had an under current of racism to it as well with the chanting and shouting. We certainly weren't the worst in this respect but definitely achieved a reputation which is proving very difficult to shake off. Things nowadays are totally different and I haven't witnessed anything that I would call racist or serious violence for probably well over 15 years. This is mainly due to actions the club, football league and police have taken, especially since we moved stadiums.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sorry but yes it has. In the late 70’s, 80’s and early 90’s I used to go to every home game and about 8 or 9 away games a season, mainly around London or up North, because I lived away from South Wales for work. I would usually go by car and made a point of never going in the City fans section as I actually wanted to watch the football and avoid any trouble. I would either go in one if the main grandstands or possibly in the family area of the home fans. I would park away from the ground and walk to it. In those days it was easy to pay on the gate or buy a ticket on the day. Walking to the grounds I witnessed all sorts of things, including groups of Cardiff fans wandering around causing trouble both verbally and physically. Intimidating local residents and yes attacking small or larger groups of mainly Asian youths for no good reason. It is true that there were black ‘kids’ in the Cardiff hardcore ‘fans’ around that time but anyone who thinks that Black and Asian youths had any respect or liking for each other or avoided confrontation with each other in those times would be sadly deluded. The atmosphere within grounds had an under current of racism to it as well with the chanting and shouting. We certainly weren't the worst in this respect but definitely achieved a reputation which is proving very difficult to shake off. Things nowadays are totally different and I haven't witnessed anything that I would call racist or serious violence for probably well over 15 years. This is mainly due to actions the club, football league and police have taken, especially since we moved stadiums.

you are saying gangs of Cardiff city fans went to away matches and targeted people from black and Asian backgrounds to attack them ?

No chance

Cardiff fans would attack anyone , I would agree with that and some still do , but we don't have a combat 18 type fringe

[dml1954]

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you are saying gangs of Cardiff city fans went to away matches and targeted people from black and Asian backgrounds to attack them ?

No chance

Cardiff fans would attack anyone , I would agree with that and some still do , but we don't have a combat 18 type fringe

I think you are being a bit pedantic here. It makes no difference if they went away planning to look for groups of black or Asian people to attack or whether they came across them during the general desire to cause problems. It would still be racially motivated targeting and assault. Either could be true. All I know is it happened and what we are discussing is the reasons why people from ethnic minority groups obviously find it difficult to support or watch Cardiff City. My opinion is that an important part of this is the history and reputation (no longer deserved) our fans have for causing problems and not making these groups feel welcome.

[J R Hartley]

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you are saying gangs of Cardiff city fans went to away matches and targeted people from black and Asian backgrounds to attack them ?

No chance

Cardiff fans would attack anyone , I would agree with that and some still do , but we don't have a combat 18 type fringe

He’s just making it up as he goes along mun.

First they were targeting blacks, then when it’s put to him City’s main hooligan element included black lads they were actually targeting Asians instead and now it transpires they weren’t specifically targeting either of these races they just may have come across them when causing trouble in general. :hehe: :hehe:

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I think you are being a bit pedantic here. It makes no difference if they went away planning to look for groups of black or Asian people to attack or whether they came across them during the general desire to cause problems. It would still be racially motivated targeting and assault. Either could be true. All I know is it happened and what we are discussing is the reasons why people from ethnic minority groups obviously find it difficult to support or watch Cardiff City. My opinion is that an important part of this is the history and reputation (no longer deserved) our fans have for causing problems and not making these groups feel welcome.

Cardiff City , like a lot of football clubs were once white , working class domains

Arsenal , Spurs etc always had a mixed following , also west ham

But even in cities like Birmingham and Leeds , there was a right wing element

We have a small minority of idiots but the main reason why there are not many black or Asian faces at cardiff city is that the club has never reached out for support. If the club expects its traditional fan base of Cardiff, the valleys , Bridgend to just turn up , you be assured its got to put a lot of effort into attracting others

My view is that if a black bloke works on a project to embrace the history of the city of Cardiff and it involves a city shirt painted on a prominent place the club should be fully behind it , not hiding and talking of reverse racism

I fundamentally disagree with your account of past idiotic actions . If I go to my neighbour who is Indian and punch him in the face because he has parked his van in my drive , I will be charged with assault . If I punch him and call him a greasy Indian immigrant then its racially motivated .

When Cardiff city played Birmingham in 1995 Cardiff fans arrived at New Street station in late morning looking for hooligans from the Birmingham City zulu gang to fight. The zulus were a mixed race football gang of all colours and if Cardiff fans were racist and looking for black guys to attack they should have just stopped the train and fought amongst themselves as plenty of black hooligans supporting Cardiff were at St Andrews that day

[J R Hartley]

Re: MY CITY MY SHIRT

Cardiff City , like a lot of football clubs were once white , working class domains

Arsenal , Spurs etc always had a mixed following , also west ham

But even in cities like Birmingham and Leeds , there was a right wing element

We have a small minority of idiots but the main reason why there are not many black or Asian faces at cardiff city is that the club has never reached out for support. If the club expects its traditional fan base of Cardiff, the valleys , Bridgend to just turn up , you be assured its got to put a lot of effort into attracting others

My view is that if a black bloke works on a project to embrace the history of the city of Cardiff and it involves a city shirt painted on a prominent place the club should be fully behind it , not hiding and talking of reverse racism

I fundamentally disagree with your account of past idiotic actions . If I go to my neighbour who is Indian and punch him in the face because he has parked his van in my drive , I will be charged with assault . If I punch him and call him a greasy Indian immigrant then its racially motivated .

When Cardiff city played Birmingham in 1995 Cardiff fans arrived at New Street station in late morning looking for hooligans from the Birmingham City zulu gang to fight. The zulus were a mixed race football gang of all colours and if Cardiff fans were racist and looking for black guys to attack they should have just stopped the train and fought amongst themselves as plenty of black hooligans supporting Cardiff were at St Andrews that day

As an 18 year old on one of his first away day’s travelling by train that day was quite the eye opener

[AfricanBluebird]

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I sent an email to the club. If you feel strongly about this I suggest you do the same.

My email..

As a lifelong Cardiff City fan I am absolutely appalled by the negative, incoherent and ultimate lack of engagement and support with Yusuf Ismael and his My City My Shirt campaign.

Like many city fans my family is diverse and Yusuf has created an amazing innovative campaign that links minorities with the club.

To hear the club was unwilling to support Yusuf is quite frankly prehistoric. Furthermore, the excuse the club made to not support Yusuf verges on the ridiculous, pandering to a tiny minority of white nationalists whose attitudes are quite frankly not even welcome at a club.

The vast majority of city fans respect and welcome diversity. The fan base live in a vibrant, tolerant and diverse city - it's a shame that the decision makers at the club do not see this and are living in the past.

Hopefully this was a misstep and an oversight. I would strongly encourage the club to reconsider the lack of support to Yusuf, who represents the best of city fans.

[the other bob wilson]

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I sent an email to the club. If you feel strongly about this I suggest you do the same.

My email..

As a lifelong Cardiff City fan I am absolutely appalled by the negative, incoherent and ultimate lack of engagement and support with Yusuf Ismael and his My City My Shirt campaign.

Like many city fans my family is diverse and Yusuf has created an amazing innovative campaign that links minorities with the club.

To hear the club was unwilling to support Yusuf is quite frankly prehistoric. Furthermore, the excuse the club made to not support Yusuf verges on the ridiculous, pandering to a tiny minority of white nationalists whose attitudes are quite frankly not even welcome at a club.

The vast majority of city fans respect and welcome diversity. The fan base live in a vibrant, tolerant and diverse city - it's a shame that the decision makers at the club do not see this and are living in the past.

Hopefully this was a misstep and an oversight. I would strongly encourage the club to reconsider the lack of support to Yusuf, who represents the best of city fans.

Has anyone who e mailed the club yet had a reply, as opposed to an acknowledgment of receipt? I’ve had neither so far.

[AfricanBluebird]

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Has anyone who e mailed the club yet had a reply, as opposed to an acknowledgment of receipt? I’ve had neither so far.

No.

This has made me really mad.

I could probably think of only one or two city fans who would take offence at this campaign (you'll find them on the other message board).. so it's a complete own goal by the club.

[splott parker]

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I’ve just had the acknowledgement, no reply as such.

[the other bob wilson]

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No.

This has made me really mad.

I could probably think of only one or two city fans who would take offence at this campaign (you'll find them on the other message board).. so it's a complete own goal by the club.

Agreed, I’ve not listened to the podcast yet, maybe that will get a reaction from them?

[dml1954]

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Cardiff City , like a lot of football clubs were once white , working class domains

Arsenal , Spurs etc always had a mixed following , also west ham

But even in cities like Birmingham and Leeds , there was a right wing element

We have a small minority of idiots but the main reason why there are not many black or Asian faces at cardiff city is that the club has never reached out for support. If the club expects its traditional fan base of Cardiff, the valleys , Bridgend to just turn up , you be assured its got to put a lot of effort into attracting others

My view is that if a black bloke works on a project to embrace the history of the city of Cardiff and it involves a city shirt painted on a prominent place the club should be fully behind it , not hiding and talking of reverse racism

I fundamentally disagree with your account of past idiotic actions . If I go to my neighbour who is Indian and punch him in the face because he has parked his van in my drive , I will be charged with assault . If I punch him and call him a greasy Indian immigrant then its racially motivated .

When Cardiff city played Birmingham in 1995 Cardiff fans arrived at New Street station in late morning looking for hooligans from the Birmingham City zulu gang to fight. The zulus were a mixed race football gang of all colours and if Cardiff fans were racist and looking for black guys to attack they should have just stopped the train and fought amongst themselves as plenty of black hooligans supporting Cardiff were at St Andrews that day

When I am seeing a group of Cardiff City fans attacking groups of Asian youths in succession for no apparent reason and chanting racist insults in the progress, I don't stop and try to analyse whether they planned to do it before they left Cardiff or did it on the spur of the moment whilst they were marauding around the streets of the away town. It makes no difference anyway, either way it is still racially motivated assault. I never said there was incidence of attacks on black people. I was aware that a number of our hooligans were black (as far as I know none were of Asian descent) and what I witnessed in my travels were mainly attacks on Asian people. The things that I witnessed against black people from our fans were mainly verbal or provocation in grounds, not fights outside. There was a lot of antagonism and rivalry between Black and Asian people in those days and I guess that fuelled the situations I saw. The black members of our hooligan gangs would have been more than keen to ‘take on’ any Asians they came across as a result. Perhaps they were leading it - who knows. I agree over the mural being nothing but a good thing by the way but see it from the clubs point of view as well. They have done a lot of good things in the community in recent years.