Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Before all answer with[I]

The significance of my question is whether many on here realised that in 2019 Wales was given tax raising powers

Do you mean via the Welsh Revenue Authority?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

We've got to the point where the national debt is so large, no Govt. is going to bother trying to reduce it, so yes, just print what you need and so long as there's a market for bonds & gilts then this makes sense.

Then it becomes a political ideology to not do this to help the worst off in society.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Why not? Labour have been in power in Wales for god knows how long...

thats because generally , Wales is a left of centre country , thank god

I think the current Welsh government is crap but the idea of having a right wing party governing the parts of Wales we are able to govern scares the bejesus out of me

They will follow Boris and hes a right wing libertarian

We have left Europe and now people are voting tory , in Wales?

God help us

[RichardM]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

thats because generally , Wales is a left of centre country , thank god

I think the current Welsh government is crap but the idea of having a right wing party governing the parts of Wales we are able to govern scares the bejesus out of me

They will follow Boris and hes a right wing libertarian

We have left Europe and now people are voting tory , in Wales?

God help us

Exactly...the current Welsh government being crap isn't a reason to vote Tory, it's why more of us should be voting for a proper socialist party...Plaid Cymru

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Exactly...the current Welsh government being crap isn't a reason to vote Tory, it's why more of us should be voting for a proper socialist party...Plaid Cymru

I would vote for them but they want independence so they are living in the clouds

Which is shame as they are more socialist than labour

[Tuerto]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

I would vote for them but they want independence so they are living in the clouds

Which is shame as they are more socialist than labour

You wouldn't vote for a Socialist Party, you're Centrist.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

You wouldn't vote for a Socialist Party, you're Centrist.

Well i am a socialist but I realise that this country will never ever elect a left wing socialist party , much though I wish they would

So I live in reality and hope that those who don't vote tory , most of the country , will unite under a left of centre coalition so we can get some of our policies implemented

If we don't, we will be waving our arms around for ever

My socialist views are backed up by actions , marching against the racist English defence league when most people sat on their arses , sending sleeping bags , underwear , wet wipes , toothpaste , t shirts, jogging bottoms , tents and other items to an organisation called cardiff help the homeless , which provides emergency help to rough sleepers in Cardiff, I think I have sent 600 quid worth of stuff since lockdown , I have recently become involved in theneedtofeed which helps people escaping violence , the homeless and ex servicemen with ptsd and drug and alcohol problems

So I don't feck about

Its all very well pining for a socialist government but its never going to happen so its a case of getting off your arse and doing something and fighting for whats right and getting a government in that will get as much as what you believe in into power .

Benn , Skinner , Mclusky , Abbott , Corbyn all talk a good game but simply don't have what it takes to win over middle ground voters and keep them

In life you can accept society needs changing and do things personally and try and get a forward thinking left of centre government , of various interests elected ......which is the best we are going to get ......

Or act like someone from the socialist workers student society and forever be left holding the baby .


Bluebirds !

[AntEvans]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

If you truly want a left of centre coalition Sludge, are you going to consider voting for Plaid or the Greens on the regional list? Voting Labour on most regional lists in the Senedd elections will be a waste of time, and ultimately help the right wingers.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

If you truly want a left of centre coalition Sludge, are you going to consider voting for Plaid or the Greens on the regional list? Voting Labour on most regional lists in the Senedd elections will be a waste of time, and ultimately help the right wingers.

Yes I would consider voting plaid on the regional lists to keep down the tory representatives in the senedd but long term I want a left of centre party to emerge

Plaid , unless they gain independence, which they won't, and why I wouldn't vote for them unless it was tactically will have to accept they are at best going to get some of what they want . In this latest election it means a coalition with Labour to keep out the tories . Adam Price has said he won't prop up a labour administration but if he wants any sort of representation for plaid he's going to have to .

As for drakeford and gethin etc the sooner they walk the plank the better

[Tuerto]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Well i am a socialist but I realise that this country will never ever elect a left wing socialist party , much though I wish they would

So I live in reality and hope that those who don't vote tory , most of the country , will unite under a left of centre coalition so we can get some of our policies implemented

If we don't, we will be waving our arms around for ever
Sludge,
My socialist views are backed up by actions , marching against the racist English defence league when most people sat on their arses , sending sleeping bags , underwear , wet wipes , toothpaste , t shirts, jogging bottoms , tents and other items to an organisation called cardiff help the homeless , which provides emergency help to rough sleepers in Cardiff, I think I have sent 600 quid worth of stuff since lockdown , I have recently become involved in theneedtofeed which helps people escaping violence , the homeless and ex servicemen with ptsd and drug and alcohol problems

So I don't feck about

Its all very well pining for a socialist government but its never going to happen so its a case of getting off your arse and doing something and fighting for whats right and getting a government in that will get as much as what you believe in into power .

Benn , Skinner , Mclusky , Abbott , Corbyn all talk a good game but simply don't have what it takes to win over middle ground voters and keep them

In life you can accept society needs changing and do things personally and try and get a forward thinking left of centre government , of various interests elected ......which is the best we are going to get ......

Or act like someone from the socialist workers student society and forever be left holding the baby .


Bluebirds !

Sludge, what is perceived as socialism in this country is actually just plain old left wing politics. It's because of so many other factors that people have moved to the right, including yourself in my opinion. The constant chipping by the media and the bosses seems to have worked, when people see plain old left wing policy as some kind of radicalism. If not for left wing policy, you and I wouldn't be having this vaccine through the NHS.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Sludge, what is perceived as socialism in this country is actually just plain old left wing politics. It's because of so many other factors that people have moved to the right, including yourself in my opinion. The constant chipping by the media and the bosses seems to have worked, when people see plain old left wing policy as some kind of radicalism. If not for left wing policy, you and I wouldn't be having this vaccine through the NHS.

The UK has always been right leaning

It’s not a bad thing it’s a fine balance

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Still trying to figure out how the question in the title of this thread leads to, another, discussion on here in which posters with left wing views end up dissing the Labour Party (or at least the Welsh part of it this time) - what’s that saying........with friends like these, who needs enemies?

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Do I want to pay more income tax?

Not me there’s plenty of less regressive taxes and the real tax avoidance is from the internet based companies

[cityhammer]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

I’m still trying to get my head round the OP assertion that we are currently taxed more than anytime in last 46 years?

[Tuerto]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Well i am a socialist but I realise that this country will never ever elect a left wing socialist party , much though I wish they would

So I live in reality and hope that those who don't vote tory , most of the country , will unite under a left of centre coalition so we can get some of our policies implemented

If we don't, we will be waving our arms around for ever

My socialist views are backed up by actions , marching against the racist English defence league when most people sat on their arses , sending sleeping bags , underwear , wet wipes , toothpaste , t shirts, jogging bottoms , tents and other items to an organisation called cardiff help the homeless , which provides emergency help to rough sleepers in Cardiff, I think I have sent 600 quid worth of stuff since lockdown , I have recently become involved in theneedtofeed which helps people escaping violence , the homeless and ex servicemen with ptsd and drug and alcohol problems

So I don't feck about

Its all very well pining for a socialist government but its never going to happen so its a case of getting off your arse and doing something and fighting for whats right and getting a government in that will get as much as what you believe in into power .

Benn , Skinner , Mclusky , Abbott , Corbyn all talk a good game but simply don't have what it takes to win over middle ground voters and keep them

In life you can accept society needs changing and do things personally and try and get a forward thinking left of centre government , of various interests elected ......which is the best we are going to get ......

Or act like someone from the socialist workers student society and forever be left holding the baby .


Bluebirds !

Still trying to figure out how the question in the title of this thread leads to, another, discussion on here in which posters with left wing views end up dissing the Labour Party (or at least the Welsh part of it this time) - what’s that saying........with friends like these, who needs enemies?

Because they're right wing, and have fallen into the arms of a right wing media and the perceived sensibilities of right wing policy. If sludge and co were around 70 odd years ago they would be talking of the NHS and education as a wonderful idea, although fanciful and idealistically naive. That's how far we've sunk I'm afraid.