Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Because they're right wing, and have fallen into the arms of a right wing media and the perceived sensibilities of right wing policy. If sludge and co were around 70 odd years ago they would be talking of the NHS and education as a wonderful idea, although fanciful and idealistically naive. That's how far we've sunk I'm afraid.

you silly **** , I am left wing but the things I want are not achievable by voting for a far left party because not enough people will support it to gain enough seats to form a government

If I had my way I would nationalise water , gas , electricity and trains but its not going to happen

You can live in a dreamworld or try and get politicians elected who will help you see some of your principles in actual reality

There was a bloke standing for the Welsh socialists a few years back , he got 15 votes

Great ideas but I would hope u can see the reality

A left of centre democratic alternative to the tories would sweep up

The next time the far right March in Cardiff I will be there and I expect to see you there too , then you can tell me I am not a socialist

[Wozza16]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Everyone will be paying more tax, example 1 Lords allowance.jpg

Wales is "too poor to be independent" but can afford things like this, the UK government and its political system wastes more money than anything in the world.

[the other bob wilson]

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Interesting articles regarding the Wales is not big enough to be an independent country bollox;-

https://www.theglobalist.com/smaller-nations-in-a-big-world/

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/

Wales would be around the 130 mark when it came to population size out of 238

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Interesting articles regarding the Wales is not big enough to be an independent country bollox;-

https://www.theglobalist.com/smaller-nations-in-a-big-world/

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/

Wales would be around the 130 mark when it came to population size out of 238

But would it be beneficial leaving the union. I don’t see it at all

[Rjk]

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But would it be beneficial leaving the union. I don’t see it at all

the union will only ever be run to the benefit of south east England and London specifically.
When Ireland left the union they had a similar population as wales has now, a very underdeveloped economy and a poorly educated workforce.
Ireland today is a modern European country and has a good standard of living and high levels of wealth. If they were still in the union I cannot believe that they would have been able to develop as far, as the uk priority would still have been London.
It took a long time but if it worked for them, then why couldn't we do the same?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

the union will only ever be run to the benefit of south east England and London specifically.
When Ireland left the union they had a similar population as wales has now, a very underdeveloped economy and a poorly educated workforce.
Ireland today is a modern European country and has a good standard of living and high levels of wealth. If they were still in the union I cannot believe that they would have been able to develop as far, as the uk priority would still have been London.
It took a long time but if it worked for them, then why couldn't we do the same?

Absolutely. The list of countries that have gained independence from much larger masters and have regretted it is very small indeed.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Interesting articles regarding the Wales is not big enough to be an independent country bollox;-

https://www.theglobalist.com/smaller-nations-in-a-big-world/

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/

Wales would be around the 130 mark when it came to population size out of 238

These are very interesting links.

The Laws in Wales Acts 1535 and 1542 made English the only language of the law courts and said that those who used Welsh would not be appointed to, or paid for, any public office in Wales. This language clause laid the foundation for a thoroughly anglicised ruling class of landed gentry in Wales. The parts of the 1535 Act relating to language were definitively repealed in 1993, by the Welsh Language Act 1993.

I lifted this from Wikipedia as I didn't want to re-write history (sic).

So, that's 1993! That's over 400 years Wales was subject to the whims and fancies of an English (London) parliament and Monarch (in this afomentioned case it was that role-model of a husband Henry VIII who kicked it off). So we haven't evolved and been allowed to develop as an independent country with our own language, economy, laws, taxes and parliament for 486 years!

In other words, we've been London's bi*tch for too long.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

These are very interesting links.

The Laws in Wales Acts 1535 and 1542 made English the only language of the law courts and said that those who used Welsh would not be appointed to, or paid for, any public office in Wales. This language clause laid the foundation for a thoroughly anglicised ruling class of landed gentry in Wales. The parts of the 1535 Act relating to language were definitively repealed in 1993, by the Welsh Language Act 1993.

I lifted this from Wikipedia as I didn't want to re-write history (sic).

So, that's 1993! That's over 400 years Wales was subject to the whims and fancies of an English (London) parliament and Monarch (in this afomentioned case it was that role-model of a husband Henry VIII who kicked it off). So we haven't evolved and been allowed to develop as an independent country with our own language, economy, laws, taxes and parliament for 486 years!

In other words, we've been London's bi*tch for too long.

It should also be mentioned that Elizabeth I passed a law requiring a Welsh translation of the book of Common Prayer after Henry VIII split from Rome. Soon after came a Welsh translation of the Bible.

[the other bob wilson]

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the union will only ever be run to the benefit of south east England and London specifically.
When Ireland left the union they had a similar population as wales has now, a very underdeveloped economy and a poorly educated workforce.
Ireland today is a modern European country and has a good standard of living and high levels of wealth. If they were still in the union I cannot believe that they would have been able to develop as far, as the uk priority would still have been London.
It took a long time but if it worked for them, then why couldn't we do the same?

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

the union will only ever be run to the benefit of south east England and London specifically.
When Ireland left the union they had a similar population as wales has now, a very underdeveloped economy and a poorly educated workforce.
Ireland today is a modern European country and has a good standard of living and high levels of wealth. If they were still in the union I cannot believe that they would have been able to develop as far, as the uk priority would still have been London.
It took a long time but if it worked for them, then why couldn't we do the same?

Ireland just slashed corporation tax.

If everyone do that it would just be a race to the bottom

[Rjk]

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Ireland just slashed corporation tax.

If everyone do that it would just be a race to the bottom

corporation tax has been 12.5% since the mid 2000s, in the mid 90s it was 40% ish an 50% before that.

The same points would apply to Ireland before they cut corporation tax (to a little bit less than us) as they do now.

Do you think if Ireland had remained as part of the UK from 1921 until 1991 it would have done as well as it did independently?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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It should also be mentioned that Elizabeth I passed a law requiring a Welsh translation of the book of Common Prayer after Henry VIII split from Rome. Soon after came a Welsh translation of the Bible.

Yes, you're right, but I'm not entirely convinced it was to preserve the Welsh language (which some believe was its major contribution) and it also required a Monarch to grant it. I think what's also key, is that while it's always stated that The Bible was translated I believe it was The New Testament from Greek which fits in with her Reformation agenda.

BTW I should point out that I'm not entirely religious or in favour of church integration of the state so I have no particular affiliation. Also I don't believe she or any other Monarch is appointed by God. But I could be wrong!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Yes, you're right, but I'm not entirely convinced it was to preserve the Welsh language (which some believe was its major contribution) and it also required a Monarch to grant it. I think what's also key, is that while it's always stated that The Bible was translated I believe it was The New Testament from Greek which fits in with her Reformation agenda.

BTW I should point out that I'm not entirely religious or in favour of church integration of the state so I have no particular affiliation. Also I don't believe she or any other Monarch is appointed by God. But I could be wrong!

I've wondered if it was done to stop those Welshies from moaning. I'll need to do some research into it, but I'm aware that the reformation wasn't always well received in other Celtic countries and I can imagine parts of Wales not being happy with this new Anglican church. Liz thought of a way of making the Welsh accept it, by giving them a Welsh language service to use.

I was only looking at this from a historical, rather than a religious angle. Church history is relatively well documented when, in many cases, little else exists.

[Dave Blue]

Re: Who Fancies paying more Income tax ?

Conservatives have said they will freeze council tax for 2 years if elected.

And freeze the services it pays for no doubt.

[Wozza16]

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There have been 62 countries that have gained independence from the UK (England), none have asked to return or have returned, why if the UK is such a benefit?

There is mis-information constantly spread about Wales and it's finances after becoming independent, a lot of countries both smaller and bigger and richer and poorer have left the UK and been successful.