Duke of Edinburgh dies

[Gofer Blue]

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That's not offensive but compassionate, and I imagine most people seeing that picture would think the same, once you get to the heart of the matter. So why stop there? Maybe we should let her retire. She's 94; if she had another job she could have retired years ago. Also, why after the death of a parent, the heir must take his/her job? All that grief and now you have to be head of state until the day you die. It's a callous arrangement and it seems to be in the bones of this country.

People might think republicanism has a French revolution vibe but it's about equality, including for the royals. How many people yesterday, in their sympathy and sorrow, thought about the way those individuals have to live their lives?

Exactly.

One poster in this thread wrote about a semi-deified group of people who are put on a pedestal merely due to their being born in the right bed. I would ask anyone who has posted in this thread to search their hearts and ask themselves would they have preferred to have been born into that group of semi-deified people (i.e. the royal family in this case with all their wealth and status) rather than the family in which they find themselves? I for one am eternally grateful that I was not! Likewise I am eternally grateful that I was not born into abject poverty like a child in Yemen.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Exactly.

One poster in this thread wrote about a semi-deified group of people who are put on a pedestal merely due to their being born in the right bed. I would ask anyone who has posted in this thread to search their hearts and ask themselves would they have preferred to have been born into that group of semi-deified people (i.e. the royal family in this case with all their wealth and status) rather than the family in which they find themselves? I for one am eternally grateful that I was not! Likewise I am eternally grateful that I was not born into abject poverty like a child in Yemen.

Surely it's yet another reason in abandoning a system if the public is infantilised on the one hand and those bowed down to are unhappy with their gilded cage on the other hand, a dehumanising situation for both parties perhaps.
Other royal families in Europe took a step down from such semi-deification and retained a great deal of wealth so it's not as if they have no choice whatsoever.
Unilaterally bowing to another human being or referring to them as 'Your Highness' is absurdly medieval in my opinion.

[xsnaggle]

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I’ve barely contributed to this thread, so I don’t know what I’ve done to deserve that dig, but since you went out of your way to mention me, I’ll have my say. Thankfully, I have different opinions to you and some of the other forelock tuggers in this thread and I sometimes set them out on here, I’m not sure, in fact I’m certain I do so by saying I’m more intelligent than you or that you are stupid.

This morning Andrew Marr told me I was wrong for not being interested in yesterday’s funeral, well, if we go by this story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56792086

It seems that 50 million others in the UK were not interested enough to ensure that they had access to yesterday’s broadcast and that puts the emphasis the media has put on Prince Philip’s death and funeral into some sort of perspective.

I'm not entirely surev# that you meant to say those words, but as you are by your own admission far more intelligent than others must I assume that you did?

[Elwood Blues]

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I'm not entirely surev# that you meant to say those words, but as you are by your own admission far more intelligent than others must I assume that you did?

Wasn't just me then.

Actually I owe Bob a proper reply so I shall do that now

[Tuerto]

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Wasn't just me then.

Actually I owe Bob a proper reply so I shall do that now

I think that he missed out the word 'Not' although in my opinion, Bob is a lot more intelligent than plenty of posters on here

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I think that he missed out the word 'Not' although in my opinion, Bob is a lot more intelligent than plenty of posters on here

I think he did too, but maybe it was just a Freudian slip

[Tuerto]

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I think he did too, but maybe it was just a Freudian slip

Nah, he's not about that. He's never been arrogant, pompous or superior. Just like you and me snaggs.....

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Nah, he's not about that. He's never been arrogant, pompous or superior. Just like you and me snaggs.....

Norse elf-opinionated ? I'm never arrogant pompous or superior, it's just that some people on here are too low born inferior and/or stupid to recognise it.
It's not their fault, we should pity them.

[xsnaggle]

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And another thing. Is there the slightest suggestion that the glasses smiley might, just might, have slitty eyes?

[Elwood Blues]

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I’ve barely contributed to this thread, so I don’t know what I’ve done to deserve that dig, but since you went out of your way to mention me, I’ll have my say. Thankfully, I have different opinions to you and some of the other forelock tuggers in this thread and I sometimes set them out on here, I’m not sure, in fact I’m certain I do so by saying I’m more intelligent than you or that you are stupid.

This morning Andrew Marr told me I was wrong for not being interested in yesterday’s funeral, well, if we go by this story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56792086

It seems that 50 million others in the UK were not interested enough to ensure that they had access to yesterday’s broadcast and that puts the emphasis the media has put on Prince Philip’s death and funeral into some sort of perspective.

Time to reply.

Why that dig? Well you seem to have forgotten your somewhat dismissive reply to one of my posts on this thread the other day as follows

"What a lot time taken up to say nothing really"

Now the post you were responding to was nothing exceptional but it did make a couple of valid points including correcting what I presumed was an accidental misinterpretation of something i said in an earlier post ( we've all done that) so when you just dismissed it out of had I was a bit miffed.

So I responded as follows

"I thought that despite our differences politically there was mutual respect between us. I certainly respect your views which is why i took the trouble to write a well thought out reply in response to you rather than dash out an angry response which was my first instinct

Perhaps I was wrong to dare to say that the great TOBW had misinterpreted something I said. That can't be true can it???"

You didn't respond to this so I would guess you did not see it.

And now you accuse me of being a "forelock tugger", and that thankfully you do not share my opinions.

I've checked back in this thread for my alleged "forelock tuggung". I found that I agreed that the BBC taking up both BB1 and BBC2 was excessive. I also pointed out that I have never been a great fan of Prince Philip.

I will qualify that latter sentence by saying that I have done a lot of reading about him to confirm my previous fairly negative opinion of him and will say that I was surprised how much my opinion of him improved. I agree that he could be rude, a bit arrogant and because of this made some unfortunate gaffes ( although I suspect some were quite deliberate).

But he was also highly intelligent, good to his staff ( I have seen a few sources that say his office had a very low turnover of staff because he treated them so well.)

His work for the award scheme in his name is well known as of course is his work for the WWF ( I Know Sludge sneers at this but David Attenbrough has praised him for his work in the area and I know who I would believe!!). But apart from this I have also seem many reports of the work he did for the countless charities he was patron of

However I am not ( despite what you seem to have picked up from somewhere???) an unconditional monarchist. Even though Philip modernised them, they may still need to take a hard look at themselves when the Queen passes away. Not a republic in my view but certainly a streamlining - do they really need so many houses????

Finally on your point about the audience for the funeral. You did not include Youtube (over 8 million views at the last count] IPlayer and ITV Hub plus the various other showings during the evening ( I was going to watch it on one these but changed my mind and saw it live, mainly because I forgot to turn over!)

That adds another perspective as to how many saw it.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Exactly.

One poster in this thread wrote about a semi-deified group of people who are put on a pedestal merely due to their being born in the right bed. I would ask anyone who has posted in this thread to search their hearts and ask themselves would they have preferred to have been born into that group of semi-deified people (i.e. the royal family in this case with all their wealth and status) rather than the family in which they find themselves? I for one am eternally grateful that I was not! Likewise I am eternally grateful that I was not born into abject poverty like a child in Yemen.

I understand your sentiments but I think it's disingenuous to suggest that it's not possible to be humanitarian towards members of the Royal Family and loathe everything they represent. Love thy enemy and all that. To be fair, I know plenty of people who have been born into awful family lives and would swap in a heartbeat with any of them. And, you don't have to go to Yemen to find a child living in poverty. There are plenty close to home.

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Time to reply.

Why that dig? Well you seem to have forgotten your somewhat dismissive reply to one of my posts on this thread the other day as follows

"What a lot time taken up to say nothing really"

Now the post you were responding to was nothing exceptional but it did make a couple of valid points including correcting what I presumed was an accidental misinterpretation of something i said in an earlier post ( we've all done that) so when you just dismissed it out of had I was a bit miffed.

So I responded as follows

"I thought that despite our differences politically there was mutual respect between us. I certainly respect your views which is why i took the trouble to write a well thought out reply in response to you rather than dash out an angry response which was my first instinct

Perhaps I was wrong to dare to say that the great TOBW had misinterpreted something I said. That can't be true can it???"

You didn't respond to this so I would guess you did not see it.

And now you accuse me of being a "forelock tugger", and that thankfully you do not share my opinions.

I've checked back in this thread for my alleged "forelock tuggung". I found that I agreed that the BBC taking up both BB1 and BBC2 was excessive. I also pointed out that I have never been a great fan of Prince Philip.

I will qualify that latter sentence by saying that I have done a lot of reading about him to confirm my previous fairly negative opinion of him and will say that I was surprised how much my opinion of him improved. I agree that he could be rude, a bit arrogant and because of this made some unfortunate gaffes ( although I suspect some were quite deliberate).

But he was also highly intelligent, good to his staff ( I have seen a few sources that say his office had a very low turnover of staff because he treated them so well.)

His work for the award scheme in his name is well known as of course is his work for the WWF ( I Know Sludge sneers at this but David Attenbrough has praised him for his work in the area and I know who I would believe!!). But apart from this I have also seem many reports of the work he did for the countless charities he was patron of

However I am not ( despite what you seem to have picked up from somewhere???) an unconditional monarchist. Even though Philip modernised them, they may still need to take a hard look at themselves when the Queen passes away. Not a republic in my view but certainly a streamlining - do they really need so many houses????

Finally on your point about the audience for the funeral. You did not include Youtube (over 8 million views at the last count] IPlayer and ITV Hub plus the various other showings during the evening ( I was going to watch it on one these but changed my mind and saw it live, mainly because I forgot to turn over!)

That adds another perspective as to how many saw it.

I think you need to relax and not take this board so seriously

[Gofer Blue]

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Surely it's yet another reason in abandoning a system if the public is infantilised on the one hand and those bowed down to are unhappy with their gilded cage on the other hand, a dehumanising situation for both parties perhaps.
Other royal families in Europe took a step down from such semi-deification and retained a great deal of wealth so it's not as if they have no choice whatsoever.
Unilaterally bowing to another human being or referring to them as 'Your Highness' is absurdly medieval in my opinion.

I met the queen when the company I was with at the time won the Queen's Award to Industry and myself and two colleagues went to Buckingham Palace to collect the award. As a Christian I will not bow to another human being so I simply shook hands with the queen and it was fine (by me anyway!). I can confirm that the Duke could be a grumpy old codger as he asked me to repeat the name of our company as he didn't hear the announcer. When I gave it to him he replied in a rather gruff manner: "Never heard of them"!

[Gofer Blue]

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I understand your sentiments but I think it's disingenuous to suggest that it's not possible to be humanitarian towards members of the Royal Family and loathe everything they represent. Love thy enemy and all that. To be fair, I know plenty of people who have been born into awful family lives and would swap in a heartbeat with any of them. And, you don't have to go to Yemen to find a child living in poverty. There are plenty close to home.

I do wonder about that, really?

BTW IMO there is no one "close to home" or even living anywhere in the UK who has any experience of living in abject poverty.

[Elwood Blues]

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I think you need to relax and not take this board so seriously

I am perfectly relaxed thank you.


but I just felt like giving a thorough response

After all I did take a dig at Bob and he deserve to have an explanation as why

And I need to clarify my views which seem to have been misunderstood by some.

That is all