Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

[life on mars]

Re: Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

He certainly isnt a Tory



It wasnt a dig at you , it was mere a tongue-in-cheek post about we are so used to the " Same old Tory posts " it makes a refreshing change

( for the record, i know he wasnt actually attempting to have a pint in the pub )

Apparently he went for a leak without buying a pint bloody cheek, his lookalike bodyguard was just minding the door.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

I really hope the landlord was aggrieved at Sir Kier for his weakness and inability to attack Johnson and his cronies in the Commons, we’ve got a buffoon of a Prime Minister and a dodgy cabinet running the country, treating us like the shit on their shoe. A firebrand leading the opposition is what’s needed ripping the government to bits, they’re there for the taking yet the powder puff responses across the floor makes you wonder if it’s all a bit too cosy in Westminster for all parties.

It's 03:30 am and I'm posting on here (don't ask) but if I could round them up I'd give you a sh*t load of Llamas (they've become like Bitcoin to me but more mammaly) as a token of my admiration. In the meantime you'll have to do with this and this

[the other bob wilson]

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I've mentioned this before, but this board seems to disprove that theory about there being some parts of the country where people would vote Labour even if their candidate was a donkey wearing a red rosette because so many of those of a left wing disposition appear to need little invitation to knock the party.

In this thread Starmer has been criticised as being too left wing, not left wing enough and not left wing at all. Splott Parker wrote an impressive message I thought describing what he sees as Starmer's feebleness and. although I've long since dismissed Life on mars as a, not very good, Tory wind up merchant, there are many people who voted Labour last time who did so reluctantly because of the way Corbyn was portrayed in the media. The standard justification for and explanation of Labour disagreement has been that the party is a "broad church", but the party's supporters and politicians have a compulsive desire to play their arguments and disagreements out in public.

I happen to think that the Labour party have had it tough through the pandemic because I don't think that there is much to be gained by setting themselves implacably against the Government while hundreds, and sometimes thousands, were dying every day, but, now that deaths are declining and the vaccine appears to be doing it's job, I believe it really is time to start opposing this shoddy and inept Government.

In complete contrast to Labour, supporters of and politicians in the what's in it for me party tend not to go public with their disagreements (or, maybe more accurately, they get less attention in the media). Indeed, on here what's in it for me party supporters gladly ignore their party's lamentable pandemic record through 2020, the fact that the leader of the party cannot tell us how many children he has fathered, the cronyism which has characterised the awarding of contracts throughout the pandemic, the very dubious behaviour of the likes of Patel and Jenrick, the almost comical ineptitude of Williamson, the lies over Brexit, the completely ignored on here lobbying scandal and so much more.

I've mentioned before how some what's in it for me party supporters sometimes feel the need to qualify what they say by pointing out that they were once Labour voters and the "soft" tory/republican vote referred to by polling companies appears to be a genuine thing whereby right wing voters are reluctant to admit to being so - it's almost as if there is a part of them that is slightly ashamed of themselves for voting what's in it for me.

I can't explain why left wing voters tend to be almost proud of their beliefs and want people to know who they want to back while criticising the main party of the left, while what's in it for me voters tend to keep quiet about their political feelings, stick with their party no matter what and yet they're the ones who talk about that donkey with the red rosette!

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Perhaps the as stupid thingy is a result of our poor education services causing widespread stupid voting people , it is a worry as there were so many of them .

I will admit to being a stupid voter as I could not bring myself to vote for Corbyn , his cabinet or vision .

I am worried that I dont know what Sir Kier's vision is ,

I will end up being stupid again very soon as I can't align myself to the Mark Drakeford utopia .

It's more worrying that some people think there's only a choice between 2 parties, that it's either Labour or Conservative.

It's such a narrow mindset. I am far more broad minded. I hate all right wing parties.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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It's more worrying that some people think there's only a choice between 2 parties, that it's either Labour or Conservative.

It's such a narrow mindset. I am far more broad minded. I hate all right wing parties.

Plaid Cymru are nationalist

Thats right wing isn't it ?

I like plaids social policy but some of their supporters basically hate the English

Which is unfair

I only hate English tories

Which is fair enough

[life on mars]

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It's more worrying that some people think there's only a choice between 2 parties, that it's either Labour or Conservative.

It's such a narrow mindset. I am far more broad minded. I hate all right wing parties.

It is sad there is no other third or forth alternative, sadly the only party to create divide was UKIP which appeared to appeal to left and right voters .

I guess the Liberals could fill that void but folk just don't seem to respond to them ( I gave them my vote last time around )

I see voting sometimes as a tribal thing and both historical , bit like religion or race dislikes , whatever good the left or right party may do , some voters will never be accepting of either , and there is good and bad in both in my humble view.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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It is sad there is no other third or forth alternative, sadly the only party to create divide was UKIP which appeared to appeal to left and right voters .

I guess the Liberals could fill that void but folk just don't seem to respond to them ( I gave them my vote last time around )

I see voting sometimes as a tribal thing and both historical , bit like religion or race dislikes , whatever good the left or right party may do , some voters will never be accepting of either , and there is good and bad in both in my humble view.

Gosh, really uplifting sentiments.

To be fair you have done more than most on here to recognise the good in the right party and the bad in the left. In my humble view, all that's left for you to prove that this isn't your usual hypocritical hogwash is to point to the examples where you have highlighted right/bad, left/good I guess.

[City123]

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Plaid Cymru are nationalist

Thats right wing isn't it ?

I like plaids social policy but some of their supporters basically hate the English

Which is unfair

I only hate English tories

Which is fair enough

No. Firstly, there is a lot of debate as to whether nationalism is an ideology or just a concept that gets added/used by parties. Regardless of that, nationalism is neither left nor right wing as it is not a class based conception of politics much like how environmentalism is neither left nor right wing as that is not based on the traditional class cleavage. As a result you got a lot of flavours of nationalism that can be utilised by left or right, for instance you get the extreme blood and soil style nationalism associated with Nazism and is more commonly found among right wing parties. Plaid Cymru's nationalism is more inclusionary and not based on ethnicity or race which is why it fits in nicely with their left wing politics, they are based around the idea of self determination rather than expansion or cultural superiority. They are a socialist party who seek self determination.

Are there people in Plaid who hate the English? Of course there are, but there are nutjobs in every party.

[BLUETIT]

Re: Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

Wonder what will happen to Dictator Duckford, if the teetotal barsteward tries to enter a pub in Wales.

[Tuerto]

Re: Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

Wonder what will happen to Dictator Duckford, if the teetotal barsteward tries to enter a pub in Wales.

Absolutely Nothing.

[BLUETIT]

Re: Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

War, huh, yeah
What is it good for

Absolutely Nothing.

Good choice of song.

[Tuerto]

Re: Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

War, huh, yeah
What is it good for




Good choice of song.

Say it again, Y'all...

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

No. Firstly, there is a lot of debate as to whether nationalism is an ideology or just a concept that gets added/used by parties. Regardless of that, nationalism is neither left nor right wing as it is not a class based conception of politics much like how environmentalism is neither left nor right wing as that is not based on the traditional class cleavage. As a result you got a lot of flavours of nationalism that can be utilised by left or right, for instance you get the extreme blood and soil style nationalism associated with Nazism and is more commonly found among right wing parties. Plaid Cymru's nationalism is more inclusionary and not based on ethnicity or race which is why it fits in nicely with their left wing politics, they are based around the idea of self determination rather than expansion or cultural superiority. They are a socialist party who seek self determination.

Are there people in Plaid who hate the English? Of course there are, but there are nutjobs in every party.

Ladies and Gentlemen that was a party political broadcast by Adam Price , Plaid Cymru

[City123]

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Ladies and Gentlemen that was a party political broadcast by Adam Price , Plaid Cymru

You asked a question, I gave you an answer

[splott parker]

Re: Kicking off in Bath Pub Sir Kier Banned Video ?

Wonder what will happen to Dictator Duckford, if the teetotal barsteward tries to enter a pub in Wales.

Nothing too wrong with Mark Drakeford, using the English as guinea pigs more than once over the last year or so seems a good move to me. We can watch Johnson the buffoon foolhardily jump the gun masquerading as the people’s hero when it’s a dangerous bluster playing with folk’s lives. I’m quite ok waiting and staying above ground and breathing.