Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

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Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

Plaid would need to win a high number of seats to bargain for a split leadership , that's not going to happen

The best they can hope for is a junior coalition place and implementation of some of their socialist policies , which is fine by me

If Labour had a decent leader they would , even with bad times going on , win the election outright


As it is drakeford is seen as out of touch and old school by many and unbelievably the tories will win seats , but not enough

There's more of a chance of that than there is of a Tory FM. I didn't say it was definitely going to happen, only that there's a chance

YouGov, who regularly poll Wales, have it down as 26 Labour seats and 17 for Plaid. That's a very solid position for Plaid to bargain from considering there's no other obvious coalition partner for Labour, with Drakeford stepping down, a split Ministership just makes sense. Not saying that's definitely how it'll play out, but a Plaid in the high teens is hardly unthinkable

Labour have never won an overall majority at a Senedd election. They've had popular leaders and unpopular leaders in that time and never managed more than 30 seats, I don't see why this would change if, say, Eluned Morgan was in charge right now

Like I said, I don't think the split FM thing will definitely happen, but its definitely more likely than RT Davies as First Minister

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Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

Who are the 'Many' that see Drakeford as 'Out Of Touch' and 'Old School' I'm not saying that people don't feel that way, But who are the 'Many' You must speak to thousands of people.

You just have to browse social media , you will see that is the impression , even among Labour voters

Even on here he's been called duckford , dickford

He's no leader , might be a nice bloke but he's no leader like Carwyn Jones was

You can gauge peoples opinions on the Internet and multi media far quicker than talking to people in the street

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The question is why

its because the left of centre alternative to the tories in Wales, as in England, is piss weak

Even in Wales, there are people that are tories

I would shoot them if that were legal but sadly it isn't

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There's more of a chance of that than there is of a Tory FM. I didn't say it was definitely going to happen, only that there's a chance

YouGov, who regularly poll Wales, have it down as 26 Labour seats and 17 for Plaid. That's a very solid position for Plaid to bargain from considering there's no other obvious coalition partner for Labour, with Drakeford stepping down, a split Ministership just makes sense. Not saying that's definitely how it'll play out, but a Plaid in the high teens is hardly unthinkable

Labour have never won an overall majority at a Senedd election. They've had popular leaders and unpopular leaders in that time and never managed more than 30 seats, I don't see why this would change if, say, Eluned Morgan was in charge right now

Like I said, I don't think the split FM thing will definitely happen, but its definitely more likely than RT Davies as First Minister

she would be head and shoulders the best leader Welsh Labour has had

There is a chance but the maths need to add up

And I don't think that will happen

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Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

You just have to browse social media , you will see that is the impression , even among Labour voters

Even on here he's been called duckford , dickford

He's no leader , might be a nice bloke but he's no leader like Carwyn Jones was

You can gauge peoples opinions on the Internet and multi media far quicker than talking to people in the street

So Facebook and Bluetit on here. Cheers for the info.

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So Facebook and Bluetit on here. Cheers for the info.

No , there is a huge swathe of information and opinions out there and generally it gives a fairly good idea of whats afoot

Why do you think door to door canvassing is becoming a thing of the past ?

Wales online is crap and takes ages to load but flick through that from time to time and you will understand that although he's done his best and had to fight off continual attacks , he's put his foot in it too many times and even among Labour voters he's not very popular

Its just the way it is

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

Plaid would need to win a high number of seats to bargain for a split leadership , that's not going to happen

The best they can hope for is a junior coalition place and implementation of some of their socialist policies , which is fine by me

If Labour had a decent leader they would , even with bad times going on , win the election outright


As it is drakeford is seen as out of touch and old school by many and unbelievably the tories will win seats , but not enough

Plaid wont win the required seats this election but I expect within the next 3 elections they could well do in areas that are considered Labour heartlands.

More youngsters are indy curious or support the idea.

Why they're interested in politics instead of doing drugs and shagging, I have no idea.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Plaid wont win the required seats this election but I expect within the next 3 elections they could well do in areas that are considered Labour heartlands.

More youngsters are indy curious or support the idea.

Why they're interested in politics instead of doing drugs and shagging, I have no idea.

I think there's an opportunity for a Welsh version of the SNP to do well here. The seeds are being sown. Some of the problems that have held Plaid back are being eroded. Still think that too many in Wales hold too much of an allegience to Britain, not Wales, but that's their choice. We're not as patriotic as the Scots.

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I think there's an opportunity for a Welsh version of the SNP to do well here. The seeds are being sown. Some of the problems that have held Plaid back are being eroded. Still think that too many in Wales hold too much of an allegience to Britain, not Wales, but that's their choice. We're not as patriotic as the Scots.

My niece is 21. She seemed energised by Corbyn. Although Welsh Labour are more traditional ‘Labour’ than Starmer, I think some of the newish voters don’t differentiate between them or have had a ****full of Westminster?

I’ve always been Labour but my vote is going Plaid. My issue with leaving the Union was always I wouldn’t want to make those already struggling worse off. With Boris & co leeching the country and no credible opposition in Starmer, I don’t see how an independent Wales could be? I know some will throw in economical statistics but let’s be blunt here the Tory led UK government is living on the never - never with squillions of pounds of debt. Wales might as well do that?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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My niece is 21. She seemed energised by Corbyn. Although Welsh Labour are more traditional ‘Labour’ than Starmer, I think some of the newish voters don’t differentiate between them or have had a ****full of Westminster?

I’ve always been Labour but my vote is going Plaid. My issue with leaving the Union was always I wou,don’t want to make those already struggling worse off. With Boris & co leeching the country and no credible opposition in Starmer, I don’t see how an independent Wales could be? I know some will throw in economical statistics but let’s be blunt here the Tory led UK government is living on the never - never with squillions of pounds of debt. Wales might as well do that?

There with you 100%.

[Dave Blue]

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I don’t think Drakeford has done too much wrong but he can sound arrogant at times and is not charismatic. That he is infinitely more competent and honest than the clown in London goes without saying. Don’t even get me started on RT.

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Plaid wont win the required seats this election but I expect within the next 3 elections they could well do in areas that are considered Labour heartlands.

More youngsters are indy curious or support the idea.

Why they're interested in politics instead of doing drugs and shagging, I have no idea.

Indeed I was completely off my face till my mid forties ff sake

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

I don’t think Drakeford has done too much wrong but he can sound arrogant at times and is not charismatic. That he is infinitely more competent and honest than the clown in London goes without saying. Don’t even get me started on RT.

RT saying he wanted a pint with the bloke who designed Colin the Caterpillar last week was up there wasn’t it?

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There with you 100%.

where are we going to get the income from to fund infrastructure , health , housing , welfare ?

We are one of the poorest post industrial regions of the UK

Most of our population is centered in the south east corner of Wales

The figures for independence don't add up

These marches for a independent Wales would be attended by thousands of people week in week out if there was an appetite for an independent Wales

We hear this from the nationalists all the time but at election time this supposed silent wave bottle it

The best future for Wales, and Scotland lies in a left of centre democratic rainbow type of government in Westminster

the independent plaid cymru power base is a few seats in West and North Wales

Despite many Welsh mafia strolling up and down cathedral Road in pontcanna South East Wales is generally a Labour stronghold with a sprinkling of tories

I can't see plaid increasing their vote this time , its all hot hair

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its because the left of centre alternative to the tories in Wales, as in England, is piss weak

Even in Wales, there are people that are tories

I would shoot them if that were legal but sadly it isn't

Never , Tories in Wales surely not , are they all evil people , will they harm us ,should I buy a weapon ??