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6000 majority for the tories
Not only does starmer need to go , I think its the end of Labour
Time for a left of centre party, Labour is done . I vote for them because I will never vote conservative but they are finished in my opinion
I also think Labour are finished. Conservatives must think it’s Christmas every day. There is absolutely no opposition to them, It’s a woeful situation.
I see only 2 paths now. The UK either get used to being Tory led for the foreseeable future, or Wales and Scotland take a gamble and go independent,
The unions got a lot to answer for, interfering with leadership and demanding the dumb milliband got in instead of his brother who was in line for leader, since then we've had two clowns in Corbyn and Stammer. Personally I thought after Corbyn it would have been a good time to bring in a woman leader but that Scouse twat McCluskey was not having that. RIP.
It seems like that but the public think differently; otherwise they would have voted for him. The problem with Labour is that nobody gets what they stand for. Appointing Starmer as leader was daft. He was the guy that was at least 50% responsible for Labour's defeat at the last election due to Labour's wooly views on Brexit. Were they for it or against it? Holding a conference of Labour insiders to determine the country's future didn't stand up to public opinion. And that view carries forward to this day as the public have no idea of their views on the major issues.
Unusually I tend to agree with SLUDGE.
Labour will never be finished but they'll always lose out until they get rid of a few factions of their support.
How anyone normal person in the street can think that Tories will improve their lives is bewildering. Things don’t look good and Labour are promising to change more. But in what way? Do they mean opposition to Tories or chasing Tory votes? The latter isn’t going to work.
People are quick to find reasons to dislike Labour (just look at this thread!) and quick to find excuses for the Tories.
Of course, what we all want is the UK to become a better place to live in for everyone no matter who is in government. Hartlepool yesterday said it was getting better and to be fair, based on what I've heard, I think it probably is for their locals even if it's only getting better after 10 years of needless Tory austerity.
Not really, something is clearly changing in this country and, taking party politics out of it, it seems very odd to me that maybe as much as millions of people are deciding to give a party that has not been in power for eleven years a kicking. Normal political behaviour would see a reaction against a party that has been in Government for more than a decade which has enforced a period of austerity that saw living standards drop for most people and yet there is no protest vote against that party and they’re thriving.
There would be a boost for any Government that oversaw the launch a vaccine which proved successful, but there was no pandemic in 2019 when the combined Conservative and UKIP vote easily beat the Labour vote in Hartlepool - with UKIP out of the running this time, the result shouldn’t come as a surprise.
I still think Brexit is playing a huge part in shaping how people vote, especially in the north of England and places like Wrexham, but, five years after the referendum, I’ve still not seen or read anything convincing as to why Labour are the party that is being blamed electorally for causing the situation. No doubt, this result will bring more pieces from analysts claiming to know exactly what is going on, but I’m not sure anyone does yet.
I'm not even sure WHAT Starmer is.
He seems entirely governed by focus groups and the like that I would be hard pressed to tell you of any of his actual firm held beliefs.
It is a difficult situation at the moment though - the national pandemic response is somewhat akin to a wartime government, and the feeling is that the public would react badly to heavy criticism as they feel the government is trying its best in a difficult situation, and they don't want to see people politicking at a time of national disaster.
So there is definitely a school of thought that Starmer would be best to keep his powder dry until the pandemic has gone, then start to crank up the pressure once the sleaze, corruption and incompetence are plain to see.
The question for me is: Is he keeping his powder dry, or does he just not have a spark?
What doesn't help the Labour party is the kind of things that is already happening this morning.
you have the left of the party in the form of Ms Abbott already saying Starmer should go back to genuine left wing policies and the kind of thing her team espoused, and a front bench spokesman saying he thinks they have to completely ditch the lft and concentrate on winning the middle ground.
There is nothing wrong with having these conversations/arguments but ffs why do they always have to do it in public/ People see it and must think that if they vote for them they don't know which side of the fight they'll end up putting in power.
It's almost like they have a self destruct button, it's crazy!!
And let's be fair, as honest and committed as Starmer might be, he has the personality of a boiled egg.
We're largely waiting to see if there is substance behind Boris' claims and whether people will be ready to listen - either his positive message comes off (and combined with boundary changes, removal of spending cap at elections etc.) Tories continue to dominate England or it becomes obvious that he lacks substance and things might change.
Already we've seen that the Irish Protocol Boris pushed through in order to get brexit done doesn't hold up but people generally don't care about Northern Ireland.
In the meantime, Labour needs to become more united as a party because they're judged to a higher standard before people are willing to lend them a vote.
The result has been diagnosed as Labour still suffering from Long Corbyn
Labour are not left wing. I think what you want is an even more right wing labour party, like under Blair, where Tory fiscal policy and deregulation on a scale even the Tories couldn't believe is the order of the day.
There is no Left wing alternative, because there hasn't been one for decades.The last bloke that attempted basic left wing policy was called a terrorist, ridiculed over his appearance and attacked by his own party (Twice) as well as the entire media. Labour are getting what they deserve for not evolving into a party that cares for those that need them most, workers. Instead of implementing policy that protects the most vulnerable and the hardest hit, as well as protecting services etc, they've just chased the Tories about, it's like a Benny hill sketch.
Centrist means right wing. Labour aren't offering an alternative, although it seems that the voting public are swallowing up this shit that says that we need to pander to the 'moderate' which usually means more right than left.