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FYI, even Andrew Neil (he of GB News fame) has said he agrees with woke'ness - a term that refers to awareness of issues that concern social justice and racial justice. His issue seems to be minimal: how it's being employed by some.Originally Posted by llan bluebird
yeah right
I hated corbyn , livingstone , Abbott etc
We need a left of centre party to defeat the tories
The Labour Party is toxic now , incredible when you look at the conservatives and what they get up to but hey ho
Wales free of tory power ?
Its a good night for me
God bless Wrexham , top lads taking it to the fascists in Manchester and keeping out the tories tonight
God bless em
The Labour candidate from Merthyr is from Bristol. No connection to the town. Voted against free meals for vulnerable in this pandemic. In one of the most impoverished areas in the country. So clearly she doesn’t understand the area she’s meant to represent. In fact in her victory speech she thanked the people of Merthyr and Tydfil. I ****ing despair.
You are as left wing as Chris Waddle old sport
Wrexham , always there when it matters
You are wasting your vote with plaid sonny
He really isn't.
My vote is my vote. I stay true to myself. If you can’t vote Plaid in a vote for the Senedd then when can you vote them? The only party with Welsh interests at heart. I have an irrational hatred for the self serving Labour Senedd candidate in my area and I will never vote the Tories so I’m snookered either way. It is what it is.
BOWDEN OUT
Tony benn talked a good game
But it was all talk
I am chuffed the tories are not governing Wales tonight
You are still trying to sell copies of socialist worker
Its fun , but gets you nowhere
Its still a wasted vote
You should have written your weekly shopping list for uncle bert on the polling card
It is what it is
I'd rather be 'Nowhere' than be where you are
Stop bumming Wrexham and get a job Linus
He's on Mikes payroll, has to be
I work about 80 hours a week , its fecking exhausting
Top lads Wrexham
Watching Pebble Mill and The Chasers with your mother isn’t work ffs
sadly the majority of the country don't share your political doctrineI'd rather be 'Nowhere' than be where you are
I can't stand the conservatives but realise that you can either talk the talk and live like a dinosaur or press for a modern alternative to the tories that elbows out Diane abbot and her mob and attracts people in the middle ground who sway towards the tories
You just want to keep spouting power to the people and backing clowns like corbyn
Carry on , enjoy it if its makes you happy
But it won't lead to anything approaching a fairer society because the country has changed , not for the better , but it has .
Well according to the government it is
You are paying my wages you daft ****
Worth every penny if your mother is as belligerent and bitter as you are. I hope she makes your days endless and joyless.
Its not my fault your plaid arsewipes took a beating
Dust yourself down
Always another pop in 5 years
North Wales is Tory. Shameless.
Wrexham Ain't
Tidy little firm
Always in Cardiff’s shadow
Labour absolutely trounced everywhere except Wales.
Ben Houchen the Tory Mayor in Teeside seems to be doing a good job of improving lives at the moment.
He won by 2,000 votes in 2017.
He won by over 76,000 this year mainly it appear because he actually seems to get things done. And presumably changes lives in the process.
Not just Tory mayors to be fair. Andy Burnham seemed to do an excellent job standing up for Manchester during the pandemic.
A senior Labour source told Nick Watt on Newsnight that this was Boris's Falklands moment, They could see him going on and winning the next election which would mean Starmer going and the left taking over Labour again. which he reckoned would mean the end of the Labour Party
AS Harold Wilson is often quoted as saying "A week is a long time in politics" BOb
10 years is a Millenium!
Politics have changed greatly since 2010 particularly in the last year. The Tory party had already started to say that we would not be returning to austerity and the pandemic has now accelerated this.
I think it is now recognised that in an age of very low interest rate increasing the National Debt is not such a problem as it was when interest rates were higher. If I remember correctly back in 2010 when the Government embarked on its austerity program (which to be fair Labour were also going to do except we now of course have no idea whether it would have been as strict or lasted as long as the Tory version) the thought was that the low interest rates would soon start to go up making too large a National Debt an expensive proposition.
Thus the plan was to decrease the annual deficit so as to make the debt growth smaller.
The perceived wisdom now is that interest rates have remained low and are likely to do so for a while so we should take advantage of them and borrow more now.
Also as Lord Finkelstein the Times columnist said the strength of the Conservative Party over the years is it ability to adapt itself to changing circumstances. Thus it sees no dichotomy in championing austerity 10 years ago and splashing the cash now.
On the hand when Labour has to change course it is far more difficult for them to do
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