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Giggs has done so well for Wales but he’s ruined it being a **** of a human being
He should be loved like the other Wales managers before him but he’s totally spoilt it for himself, and if I’m honest for me as a fan.
I held my nose for a time after the Rhodri affair, some people deserve second chances but it’s obviously his true colours.
Ramsey has just 65 caps in 13 years. That could also be argued as pathetic when comparing to Gunter. Both spent a similar period playing for their country.
Ramsey’s availability for Wales, and in particular friendlies, has been shocking but in typical hypocritical fashion Cardiff fans turn a blind eye to this.
If it wasn't clear from my original comment , what I said is dependent on him being found guilty of abusing his wife.
Regarding the affair with his brother's wife, that type of thing doesn't really concern me because adultery , no matter what the circumstances, is not a criminal offence. It is a private issue and I don't think this type of info should really be in the public domain. If everyone were judged on the same criteria in the tabloid media, very few of us would escape unblemished.
I take your point regarding innocence until proven guilty, if that was the original point you were making...... I'm not sure it was though.
My playing at being 'devils advocate' wasn't particularly directed at you personally but just put out there for consideration.
The point of 'innocence until proven guilty' is one of the points, amongst others. I think it's quite interesting that some individuals get mullered on here whilst (perhaps) others are seen in a different light.
Also many on here jumping to conclusions about his guilt.
Ched Evans anyone?
Just spared another thought for Ryan Giggs , sorry didn't last long
Wales unbeaten since Giggs left
Just like his wife