No new roads

[The Bloop]

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talking of cars Birmingham has just adopted a clean air zone around the city basically meaning if your car doesn't meet the euro 6 emission standard you will have to pay a charge for non compliant cars

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/the-birmingham-clean-air-zone-what-you-need-to-know/

think this will be hitting the likes of Cardiff and Bristol in the not so distant future

it will work effectively in Brum as it got good rail and bus transport links in and around the city although heavily congested but I don't think Cardiff or Bristol have the same infrastructure if they plan on taking us off the roads and onto public transport

just look at East Cardiff not 1 rail station in operation yet !

That's been Cardiff's problem all along. They should have started the metro years ago and introduced the stations on the eastern side. Now they're left with the equivalent of tapping their head and rubbing their tummy trying to catch up

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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What is your opinion about the traffic issue in Bristol ?

Because rush hour there is absolutely dreadful

South East Wales has similar problems

Until we get people out of their cars very little is going to change

You don't seriously think Boris and his mob were going to sort out the M4 relief road do you ?

It was pre assembly election bullshit

For years I'd struggle getting across Bristol to meetings - it just doesn't have the road network that Cardiff had, but in recent years I noticed Cardiff's traffic was getting worse and worse, and I'd say from what infrequent visits to Brizzle I nowadays make, Cardiff's traffic congestion is now much worse.

[BLUETIT]

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For years I'd struggle getting across Bristol to meetings - it just doesn't have the road network that Cardiff had, but in recent years I noticed Cardiff's traffic was getting worse and worse, and I'd say from what infrequent visits to Brizzle I nowadays make, Cardiff's traffic congestion is now much worse.

I wonder if it got anything to do with the main road through the City and serving the south, has been shut down

[goats]

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The Welsh Government has now stopped all new road building.
The seem determined to turn Wales into a country park or something. We'll all be riding round on Bullock carts soon, and all the irritating English tourists will be taxed out of the country so there will be no revenue from them either. Then Drakeford will be happy.
Both the main routes for business and to attract investment in the North and South, both cancelled.

It's insane

You can only wonder how many million have been blown on doing virtually nothing on north rd through Whitchurch…..got an extra bus lane for all the no people getting on buses have we? Meanwhile old schools in cardiff are falling down

[LeningradCowboy]

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Makes sense, spend the money on maintaining the current network and public transport instead.

Unfortunately, the current road network is shit.

[xsnaggle]

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Makes sense, spend the money on maintaining the current network and public transport instead.

There have also been studies that show that increasing transport links from a poorer area to a more prosperous area just results in more money flowing into the wealthier area. From the industrial revolution onward our transport infrastructure has been designed to extract wealth from the country and whisk it away as quickly as possible. It closely resembles other countries that have been exploited for wealth. Any improvements should be aimed at stimulating the local economy, not helping to boost the English one. I think that public transport probably dos that more effectively than new roads.

so are you suggesting that the poorer areas should be cut off from all the other areas so the stay at the same level of poverty?

[Rjk]

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so are you suggesting that the poorer areas should be cut off from all the other areas so the stay at the same level of poverty?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I remember reading an article (I think posted on here) years ago which showed that if you have a prosperous area and a not so prosperous area - building a bigger road between the two actually mostly benefts the prosperous area.

The example given was north Wales, where new roads had just hastened the flow of wealth to places like Liverpool and Chester.

England's road network is incredibly London Centric, and as a result London businesses soak up a lot of additional trade
Improving infrastructure without directing everything towards the existing bigger centres would actually help some areas more. A bit like the city region stuff I guess.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Daft, yes, old yes, bitter not really, the man is a dinosaur and should be put out to pasture

Do you think he's the one making all of the decisions?

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the man is a dinosaur and should be put out to pasture

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[BLUETIT]

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Do you think he's the one making all of the decisions?

Yes !!!!

Behind the scenes, the man is a tyrant. His troops fear him.

He’s not a nice man to get the wrong side of

[surge]

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No, that's not what I'm saying. I remember reading an article (I think posted on here) years ago which showed that if you have a prosperous area and a not so prosperous area - building a bigger road between the two actually mostly benefts the prosperous area.

The example given was north Wales, where new roads had just hastened the flow of wealth to places like Liverpool and Chester.

England's road network is incredibly London Centric, and as a result London businesses soak up a lot of additional trade
Improving infrastructure without directing everything towards the existing bigger centres would actually help some areas more. A bit like the city region stuff I guess.

But Wales only gets offered a city region if it can be connected to Bristol whereas infrastructure investment into Wales - whether that's trains or green energy - doesn't get backing.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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What is your opinion about the traffic issue in Bristol ?

Because rush hour there is absolutely dreadful

South East Wales has similar problems

Until we get people out of their cars very little is going to change

You don't seriously think Boris and his mob were going to sort out the M4 relief road do you ?

It was pre assembly election bullshit

It is absolutely abysmal in Bristol. It takes me a good 45 minutes to get out of the city whenever I am there.

Hopefully, as companies start to treat workers as adults and get them working from home as much as possible, it will have the effect that roads can be less congested for those who prefer life like it was 1976. And no to more roads. More roads are not the solution. Better public transport is.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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No, that's not what I'm saying. I remember reading an article (I think posted on here) years ago which showed that if you have a prosperous area and a not so prosperous area - building a bigger road between the two actually mostly benefts the prosperous area.

The example given was north Wales, where new roads had just hastened the flow of wealth to places like Liverpool and Chester.

England's road network is incredibly London Centric, and as a result London businesses soak up a lot of additional trade
Improving infrastructure without directing everything towards the existing bigger centres would actually help some areas more. A bit like the city region stuff I guess.

It makes sense really. Improvement of the HotV has seen people from the poorer towns of Tredegar and Brynmawr head to Merthyr and beyond to do their shopping. Brynmawr doesn't have a Next, or Curry's or Pandora. Merthyr does.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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Do you think he's the one making all of the decisions?

He absolutely does. Fair play to Drakeford if he is, he must be working 120 hour weeks.

[WJ99mobile]

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No, that's not what I'm saying. I remember reading an article (I think posted on here) years ago which showed that if you have a prosperous area and a not so prosperous area - building a bigger road between the two actually mostly benefts the prosperous area.

The example given was north Wales, where new roads had just hastened the flow of wealth to places like Liverpool and Chester.

England's road network is incredibly London Centric, and as a result London businesses soak up a lot of additional trade
Improving infrastructure without directing everything towards the existing bigger centres would actually help some areas more. A bit like the city region stuff I guess.

I'm pretty sure I did a study like this in university and I remember the outcome being that both improved but the bigger cities more quickly and economically. However not building the road would mean the opposite.

The valleys are basically 1 road in 1 road out communities and as such are strangling themselves.