Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

[blue matt]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Probably the hardest tenure of a PM since WW2

No opinion on how its been handled but it’s certainly easy to criticise.

indeed

but I am not sure many on here will even entertain that fact

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Probably the hardest tenure of a PM since WW2

No opinion on how its been handled but it’s certainly easy to criticise.

Because of Covid? Boris didn't believe it was real, that does make dealing with it quite hard.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

indeed

but I am not sure many on here will even entertain that fact

Except so far this thread is just an echo chamber of excuses and sympathy for Boris. Probably better targets for your sympathy right now, like a bunch of people so desperate to escape whatever faces them that they lose their lives falling off the undercarriage of a plane.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

indeed

but I am not sure many on here will even entertain that fact

Tory boy , always has been

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Because of Covid? Boris didn't believe it was real, that does make dealing with it quite hard.

Boris is a public school born into money asshole who is completely out of his depth

Theresa May had more balls than him and she was hopeless

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Probably the hardest tenure of a PM since WW2

No opinion on how its been handled but it’s certainly easy to criticise.

I don't care , he's not up to the job and if he was an army captain his troops would shoot him

[ninian opinian]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

It's a period of history that has been turbulent to say the least , Brexit, Covid, Trump , BLM , Climate ,Economic Chaos etc .

I do wonder if any other buffon could have done any worse or better something I don't know , can't judge compare Boris fully as it's not normal times, I'm sure though folk who say he's a buffon are right as they could easily have managed these last few years .

The only thing I feel personally feel, is the alternative
( Corbyn vehicle ) was a risk and a worry.

Christ you’ve been brainwashed. We have an absolute clown and liar running the country and all you can come up with is but, but Corbyn.

I think you’ll find Corbyn was right all along. Voted against us invading Afghanistan. And please don’t come back with yes but Corbyn would have had tea with the Taliban etc, etc. Successive governments have invaded other countries, killing and maiming thousands and where has it got us. We are at more danger now from terrorist attacks than we’ve ever been and the country is back to square one.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

The stop the war statement says "The British government should take a lead in offering a refugee programme and reparations to rebuild Afghanistan"..

Nothing wrong with the first part, yes we should take a lead in the refugee program. However the reparations part concerns me.

I do suspect that at some stage more prosperous countries will have to give financial help to Afghanistan. But are STW saying that we should immediately give cash to a regime that when it was previously in power was brutal and repressive? How would we know that they would use the money for the benefit of the Afghan people.

And if we call them reparations and give them to the Taliban what wrong are we righting there?

Isn't this a solution that has gone on for eternity.

The good guys finally stop trying to kill the bad guys , they shake hands and try to get along.
The good guys will make loadsa money helping to rebuild the damge they have done (helped by the bad guys )
The bad guys will make loadsa money doing whatever suits them (helped by the good guys.)

Human rights ? that will always be trumped by money I am afraid. Lets do some token hand wringing , we have tried everything else.

My only question is .

Are there really any good guys ?

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Doesn't politics have its own separate place on this board?

I have just read the rest of the posts, people bickering about their favourite politicians .

Get it gone from here.

[RonnieBird]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Most people seem to just carry on listening to these politicians who are creating nothing but hot air.

Did anyone notice my earlier comments or are they just unthinkable?

[Hilts]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Back to the original question maybe the 2 in question dont want any part of the likes of a front bench which is probably the worst in history. Johnny Mercer I very much doubt would want to be part of it as he already wanted to resign as Veterans Minister.

[lardy]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

It's not fear of your moron gang, Ronnie.

It's probably boredom with the pomposity and pointlessness of your wind ups - whether football or politics.

You can tell Ronnie is desperate for a bite, he came back 5 minutes later for a followup before anyone had even noticed his first one

[Hilts]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

You can tell Ronnie is desperate for a bite, he came back 5 minutes later for a followup before anyone had even noticed his first one

😂😂😂😂

[life on mars]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Boris is a public school born into money asshole who is completely out of his depth

Theresa May had more balls than him and she was hopeless

Interesting to note not many statements from her on Afghanistan during her tennership and after and she had full knowledge of the withdrawal before her snipe at Boris yesterday, hindsight is a wonderful gift isn't Sir Kier and Terssa

[lardy]

Re: Afghanistan Debate. Why aren't Tom Tughendhat and Tobias Elwood in more senior Government posts

Interesting to note not many statements from her on Afghanistan during her tennership and after and she had full knowledge of the withdrawal before her snipe at Boris yesterday, hindsight is a wonderful gift isn't Sir Kier and Terssa

I thought it was a wonderful speach