Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

This is at the heart of the matter for many conspiracy theorists*, a desire of some sort to appear intelligent by apparently knowing something most others don't.

The question they really need to ask themselves is how likely is it that I have discovered a truth just from sitting at home on my computer that billions of people, some more educated and hard working than me, haven't?

*"Climate change is made up so politicians can get rich" is a classic example of a conspiracy theory

Absolutely. And they somehow think that the Russians, the Chinese, the Americans and all the major countries around the world (and of very different political leanings) are able to conspire together. In a junior capacity I have attended many intergovernmental meetings and the representatives of some countries refuse to communicate between themselves. In the first meeting I ever attended I was placed in a position around the table away from the UK delegates and inbetween the government officials of two such countries merely to keep them apart.

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Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

I think you were the one being rude. Matters not. This thing about " why would they ...." shifts the onus onto the one who questions a suspicious act and it's a very old concept.

All I'm inviting you to do is look carefully into the thing yourself rather than listen to the climate changers OR me.
Make your own mind up on the facts rather than arguments and persuasion. Honestly I cant start arguing the toss with every person who's fallen for if because there are millions of them and most have a big element of "faith " in their reasoning.

This WILL be revealed in due course as bloody nonsense just like changing lead into gold, sailing off the edge of the world or 1930s racial purity "science" but that'll have to be a gradual process. It's not possible for me or anyone else without access to censoring news channels, "education " systems to convert the deluded masses one by one is it?
It's a state of mind/ pseudo religious belief and if it's wrong you can only come gradually to that by applying your own mind and testing the REAL science for yourself.

I hope you do but with respect all I can do is suggest you question what you've been told rather than get involved in a long running detailed debate with millions of mistaken people one by one.

I love the "do your own research" crowd.

No, I did Journalism as a degree and that was 20 odd years ago. I now do a job that's nothing to do with science in any way shape or form so I'm not going to "do my own research" (reading some websites and watching youtube videos)- I'm going to let the people who've dedicated their lives to the study of climate change continue to do the *actual* research, and if the overwhelming majority of them agree that the research shows the same thing I'm going to believe them. The arrogance to do otherwise is astounding.

[lardy]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

I love the "do your own research" crowd.

No, I did Journalism as a degree and that was 20 odd years ago. I now do a job that's nothing to do with science in any way shape or form so I'm not going to "do my own research" (reading some websites and watching youtube videos)- I'm going to let the people who've dedicated their lives to the study of climate change continue to do the *actual* research, and if the overwhelming majority of them agree that the research shows the same thing I'm going to believe them. The arrogance to do otherwise is astounding.

I liked that he used examples of incorrect science from 100 years ago, 800 years ago and 2,000 years ago.

Alchemy, eh? They were wrong about that!

[jon1959]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

I love the "do your own research" crowd.

No, I did Journalism as a degree and that was 20 odd years ago. I now do a job that's nothing to do with science in any way shape or form so I'm not going to "do my own research" (reading some websites and watching youtube videos)- I'm going to let the people who've dedicated their lives to the study of climate change continue to do the *actual* research, and if the overwhelming majority of them agree that the research shows the same thing I'm going to believe them. The arrogance to do otherwise is astounding.

Spot on.

[Allez Allez Allez]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

Electric cars, electric heating...the whole country is going electric. But we only just got through the last winter, with a number of 'very close' incidents, where demand exceeded supply - we were literally minutes away from major power cuts. We're going to need at least a dozen new power stations, running on.... Er, what, exactly?

Interesting, where was this reported?

[Allez Allez Allez]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

They have to make electricity far moe affordable before they can even begin to think about this. And that won't be easy!

My energy is 100% green and, guess what, it was the cheapest tariff on the market. Saying that, I wouldn't want to switch the boiler over to electricity because it would be very expensive to run. I guess my house will have its own energy source (solar) by the time 2030 comes around, together with a storage battery, so it may then become a viable option.

[Croesy Blue]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

I don’t mind Ronnie asking people to do their research on this topic since I wrote my thesis on climate change and the changing energy needs of the U.K.

Conclusion - he’s wrong and it’s real. Why anyone ever engages him is beyond me.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

I’d much rather a massive infrastructure project be built across the Severn getting the tidal energy but that would be billions upon billions

[Rjk]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

I’d much rather a massive infrastructure project be built across the Severn getting the tidal energy but that would be billions upon billions

I would love the barrage to be built. Yes it would cost billions but it could generate enough power for the whole of wales and then some.

The latest proposals seem really good.

I would also stick a road across it as well to make it easier to get to north Devon, or Bristol Airport.

[RonnieBird]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

It's not what you want, it's what you're doing - let's face it, it doesn't look like anyone is being won over by your "arguments" does it.

Oh they certainly are, and there’s a whole discrete culture of senior scientists and ethical public servants who are very well aware of the realities.
In the end the truth is the truth and it will out. That’s what will ultimately matter but in the mean time people will believe what they believe whether it’s man made climate change or jackal headed monsters endangering the world from the land of the dead.

I can’t argue with irrational beliefs based on what people have been told and believed rather than understanding the way power brokers carry on behind closed doors fabricating schemes , ( because they do and that’s not a guess based on internet articles ), or understanding the plain empirical testable science as opposed to a fiddled politically motivated version they’ve been teaching kids in a state education system for many many decades.

Of course they believe what their teachers , who got it from the same place and also believe it, told them about in school. They sat and passed exams in what they were told and now they think they’re the experts . You also think they’re the experts just as people believed the “educated” classes of Ancient Egypt were the experts in Jackal headed creatures and how to supply the dead with what they needed to go on a voyage in the next world to protect and guide the living.

[Rjk]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ilers-21344951

There is a target for gas boilers to be abandoned in Wales with no-one using one by 2030, climate change minister Julie James has said.

Good,

We might not achieve this but we need to have really ambitious targets.


I wonder if "energy security" is also part of the thinking, as if we don't need gas, or as much gas in the country then we aren't in danger of other countries suddenly turning off their gas pipes.

[az city]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

Oh they certainly are, and there’s a whole discrete culture of senior scientists and ethical public servants who are very well aware of the realities.
In the end the truth is the truth and it will out. That’s what will ultimately matter but in the mean time people will believe what they believe whether it’s man made climate change or jackal headed monsters endangering the world from the land of the dead.

I can’t argue with irrational beliefs based on what people have been told and believed rather than understanding the way power brokers carry on behind closed doors fabricating schemes , ( because they do and that’s not a guess based on internet articles ), or understanding the plain empirical testable science as opposed to a fiddled politically motivated version they’ve been teaching kids in a state education system for many many decades.

Of course they believe what their teachers , who got it from the same place and also believe it, told them about in school. They sat and passed exams in what they were told and now they think they’re the experts . You also think they’re the experts just as people believed the “educated” classes of Ancient Egypt were the experts in Jackal headed creatures and how to supply the dead with what they needed to go on a voyage in the next world to protect and guide the living.

**** off. You are a weapons-grade moron.

[Croesy Blue]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

Just a reminder that Walesbales/ronniebird didn’t think Covid would be a problem either. He was wrong about that and he is wrong about climate change.

If you ever think it’s worth engaging with him just look at the first page of the Covid thread, realise he thinks he knows everything from reading a few other forums and then once proven wrong is as disingenuous as ever. It’s a waste of time bothering with him.

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Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

**** off. You are a weapons-grade moron.

So many words without actually saying anything at all

[RonnieBird]

Re: Target for no-one in Wales to use a gas boiler after 2030, climate change minister says

Just a reminder that Walesbales/ronniebird didn’t think Covid would be a problem either. He was wrong about that and he is wrong about climate change.

If you ever think it’s worth engaging with him just look at the first page of the Covid thread, realise he thinks he knows everything from reading a few other forums and then once proven wrong is as disingenuous as ever. It’s a waste of time bothering with him.

Didn’t say anything like that about Covid.