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Thread: Priti Patel issues orders to turn them boats around

  1. #26
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    Re: Priti Patel issues orders to turn them boats around

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    People have different opinions about it.

    On the one hand, it's allowing desperate people to leave France to come to the UK.

    On the other its facilitating a global human trafficking programme that is one of the most obnoxious trades on earth.

    The reality is it's both, but people should be able to talk about it without people shutting it down.

    Personally, I think it's right to rescue people from warzones - we evacuated thousands from Afghanistan, and it's right to have a liberal immigration programme, but you cant just turn up and enter a country from another safe one. That isn't right, however much you want it.
    so target the criminals, not the victims.

    its ****ing shameful and Patel needs to have a long period of introspection.

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Again..

    Any proposal? NO
    Personal Insult? YES
    Virtue signal? RECEIVED
    Problem solved? NO.

    I sense you have no idea what is happening on the ground at all. Nor care.
    I literally said I don’t know how to solve the problem but treating asylum seekers like criminals and breaking my international law is not the way to go about it.

    The fact you use a phrase like “virtue signalling” sums you up. How the **** can someone virtue signal anonymously? Which part of that is virtue signalling in your mind?

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    Re: Priti Patel issues orders to turn them boats around

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    If you think this is why they’re doing this I’ve got a bridge to sell you, you disingenuous c*nt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Whereas the human traffickers friend here sounds like a right nice chap.
    Are the human traffickers here just the people supplying the boats for the asylum seekers or have you evidence of a different type of human trafficking going on in large numbers via boats on the channel?

  5. #30

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    All reports say it's against Maritime Law

    Don't see how it's ever going to be done

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    So no solution then? No ideas? No proposals?

    Lots of words, lots of virtue-signalling. No actual solution?
    JW- The OP was being a bell-end. Now you are.

  7. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    so target the criminals, not the victims.

    its ****ing shameful and Patel needs to have a long period of introspection.
    They are targeted.

    But one of the ultimate ways to stop crime is to make it less profitable. Thats all it is. Its a trade in people who want to go to another country.

    The naivity is incredible.

    There are ways to help those in desperate need in the world. This isnt it.

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wright View Post
    JW- The OP was being a bell-end. Now you are.
    No, I'm trying to have a sensible conversation with people who don't even acknowledge an issue. And then resort to insults.

  9. #34

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    Can we just take a moment to appreciate someone thinks Pritti Patel is doing this as an act of goodness and compassion due to human trafficking

  10. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No, I'm trying to have a sensible conversation with people who don't even acknowledge an issue. And then resort to insults.
    Na you’re being a disingenuous bell end

  11. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Sounds like the measures to joint measures to deal with this broke down with France on Wednesday .

    I wonder if France has any interest in stopping this .

    I am baffled why so many migrants travel through so many wonderful Europe countries to get to us, many say we treat folk dreadfully ??

    The mayor of Calais summed it up for me when interviewed a month or so ago ( "if you didn't make it so inviting they would not cross" ) so it begs the question how are they treated on mainland Europe and France , what don't they get in France that forces them to our shores , are they treated that badly , are they victimised ??
    What the French do is intercept the boats in the channel and then escort them further across, leaving them in British waters for us to deal with. All they are interested in is getting rid.

  12. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Can we just take a moment to appreciate someone thinks Pritti Patel is doing this as an act of goodness and compassion due to human trafficking
    So come on then, what would you do about it. Let everyone in, no matter who they are, terrorist or otherwise ?

  13. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Are the human traffickers here just the people supplying the boats for the asylum seekers or have you evidence of a different type of human trafficking going on in large numbers via boats on the channel?
    Slavery, mafia, human trafficking, selling lies to migrants, no controls or ID over who enters.

    It's a trade in human misery and it needs stopping.

    Stop dancing to the traffickers tune. There are ways to migrate to a country and this isn't it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ts-uk-security

  14. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Slavery, mafia, human trafficking, selling lies to migrants, no controls or ID over who enters.

    It's a trade in human misery and it needs stopping.

    Stop dancing to the traffickers tune. There are ways to migrate to a country and this isn't it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ts-uk-security
    That says the traffickers are moving asylum seekers.

    How does stopping them in the middle of the sea even change anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    So come on then, what would you do about it. Let everyone in, no matter who they are, terrorist or otherwise ?
    No you process them for asylum and then decide if you let them in or not. Which is the legal and correct way to handle migrants trying to enter a country.

  16. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    No you process them for asylum and then decide if you let them in or not. Which is the legal and correct way to handle migrants trying to enter a country.
    Asylum seekers from France?

  17. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    What the French do is intercept the boats in the channel and then escort them further across, leaving them in British waters for us to deal with. All they are interested in is getting rid.
    the French have already stated that they will try to prevent boats from launching, and stop the criminal gangs, but will not stop boats that have already launched as that could be dangerous and lead to loss of life.
    if they are floundering and request help them they will if course save them.

    that seems to be a sensible approach to take, surely nobody wants anyone to needlessly die because of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Asylum seekers from France?
    People seeking asylum here are made of largely of people from Afghanistan, syria, Iraq and Iran.

    The U.K. already takes less than France, Germany, Italy and Spain. Maybe if we set up a more official way of seeking asylum in the U.K. rather than ignoring it and trying not to do our bit we wouldn’t need a callous **** of an MP trying this PR bullshit.

  19. #44

    Re: Priti Patel issues orders to turn them boats around

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    So no solution then? No ideas? No proposals?

    Lots of words, lots of virtue-signalling. No actual solution?
    Aye , build more housing , we need the workers to look after our elderly

    The original poster works in construction , maybe he can make a few quid

  20. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    People seeking asylum here are made of largely of people from Afghanistan, syria, Iraq and Iran.

    The U.K. already takes less than France, Germany, Italy and Spain. Maybe if we set up a more official way of seeking asylum in the U.K. rather than ignoring it and trying not to do our bit we wouldn’t need a callous **** of an MP trying this PR bullshit.
    The point is, there is a formal and proper way to do this, and this isnt it.

    I would agree that the UK should take it's fair share of migrants and I agree in humanitarian rescues of people in danger (notable how few mentioned the UK's airlifts from Kabul).

    The point is that you cannot have a system that allows anyone to enter without any checks or controls and in a way that empowers and emboldens the trade in human trafficking.

    The current system is NOT working. Something needs to change. At least now you have come up with some ideas instead of just insulting me, so thats progress at least.

  21. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    No, I'm trying to have a sensible conversation with people who don't even acknowledge an issue. And then resort to insults.

    Her solution .......is to break international maritime law

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  22. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The point is, there is a formal and proper way to do this, and this isnt it.

    I would agree that the UK should take it's fair share of migrants and I agree in humanitarian rescues of people in danger (notable how few mentioned the UK's airlifts from Kabul).

    The point is that you cannot have a system that allows anyone to enter without any checks or controls and in a way that empowers and emboldens the trade in human trafficking.

    The current system is NOT working. Something needs to change. At least now you have come up with some ideas instead of just insulting me, so thats progress at least.
    Seeking asylum is legal and there are checks. If the U.K. government this system isn’t working maybe they should propose a solution that isn’t just a PR line for their follows who have a weird obsession with immigration despite there being a shit ton of things that are more pressing issues for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Her solution .......is to break international maritime law

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    It's highly unlikely that how the media are reporting this story is an accurate state of affairs.

    The point is, this is an issue that needs solving. It's a problem, it serves no one. Doing nothing, or retaining the status quo is not an option.

  24. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    It's highly unlikely that how the media are reporting this story is an accurate state of affairs.
    football fans aren’t even this blinkered ffs

  25. #50

    Re: Priti Patel issues orders to turn them boats around

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Seeking asylum is legal and there are checks. If the U.K. government this system isn’t working maybe they should propose a solution that isn’t just a PR line for their follows who have a weird obsession with immigration despite there being a shit ton of things that are more pressing issues for us.
    It's not for you to decide what the countries issues are. Different people have different concerns. But otherwise I am pleased you recognise the current system isn't working.

    Now finding a sensible, humane and fair route forward is critical. That may include some tough talking to try and clamp down on a trade that is an exploitation in misery run by criminal gangs.

    Defending the current situation is NOT defending migrants. It's taking the wealthiest, fleecing them of £3,000 to hand to criminal gangs.

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