Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

I read once that if you give a typewriter to a chimpanzee, and let them randomly hit the keyboard for long enough, they'd eventually type out the entire bible.
Is that how Christianity started?

Probably

I was forced to try and read it as a kid , I was given a book called catacisms or something , I used to come home from school saying to my old man this is all silly

I was 12 , I was more interested in going fishing

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

Being a good person and helping others does not qualify as being a Christian in itself and non-believers shouldn't expect a benevolent ticket to the afterlife based purely on good deeds:

John 3:36: “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Thessalonians 1:8-9
"In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might"

Deuteronomy 28:47-48 ESV / 38 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you.

Deuteronomy 28:47-48
"Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you"

The big contradiction being that this only applies to non-believers in the eyes of believers. As a non-believer it's irrelevant.

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

I've read it more than once as well.

And you have said that more than once too

Why bother reading a thread about Christianity if you know there will be people justifying it , people argue in against it and people taking the piss

You know the score , go and do a crossword or something

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

Being a good person and helping others does not qualify as being a Christian in itself and non-believers shouldn't expect a benevolent ticket to the afterlife based purely on good deeds:

John 3:36: “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 3:18: "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."

Thessalonians 1:8-9
"In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might"

Deuteronomy 28:47-48 ESV / 38 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you.

Deuteronomy 28:47-48
"Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you"

Well if that's what God is like I will stick to Black Sabbath

Sounds like right nasty git

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

Maybe God as people think of him/her died years ago and nobody bothered telling the masses???

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

And you have said that more than once too

Why bother reading a thread about Christianity if you know there will be people justifying it , people argue in against it and people taking the piss

You know the score , go and do a crossword or something

Well done.

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The big contradiction being that this only applies to non-believers in the eyes of believers. As a non-believer it's irrelevant.

It's not really a contradiction. Dem's da rules for those in da club.

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

It's not really a contradiction. Dem's da rules for those in da club.

I am joining another club

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

Doesn’t being a genuine christian, just mean living an honest life, and helping as many folk as possible?

No, because you can be an Atheist a Muslim or a Buddhist and do all that, which would not mean that you would suddenly become a Christian.

When Paul wrote to Titus, in chapter 3v5 he said this - "He (Christ) saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit".

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Again that's what scientific speculation often says, hoping to be true!
In fact monkeys have been left for long periods of time and typed loads of letters on page after page.
The result was this, even given that a proper word could be a space followed by an "I" (or an "A") then followed by another space, the monkeys didn't even produce one legitimate word, let alone the encyclopedia britannica or even one word from the Bible.
And no, they didn't use monkeys from the Swansea area

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I read once that if you give a typewriter to a chimpanzee, and let them randomly hit the keyboard for long enough, they'd eventually type out the entire bible.
Is that how Christianity started?

Again that's what scientific speculation often says, hoping to be true!
In fact monkeys in a controlled experiment have been left for long periods of time and typed loads of letters on page after page.
The result was this, even given that a proper word could be a space followed by an "I" (or an "A") then followed by another space, the monkeys didn't even produce one legitimate word, let alone the encyclopedia britannica or even one word from the Bible.
And no, they didn't use monkeys from the Swansea area

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

Probably

I was forced to try and read it as a kid , I was given a book called catacisms or something , I used to come home from school saying to my old man this is all silly

I was 12 , I was more interested in going fishing

You were force fed religion, I would agree with you that religion makes no sense and only drives people away from their Creator, not the opposite.

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You can prove the somebody called Jesus died and was resurrected?

Most of what was written about Jesus was done after he died so the witnesses to this resurrection were not even there
Affirm is to prove or provide evidence ?
I know that if I pour petrol on a fire it gets more powerful , that's evidence backed up by science
For me there is no evidence of the existence of God, christ doing miracles etc and the afterlife so unless someone comes up with any it all stops there .

Yes, most of what was written about Christ was written after His death, resurrection and ascension.
However it was written by eye witnesses who saw Him AND many who lived and/ or travelled with Him.

Also, does Science provide the answers to the biggest questions about life?

Origin - Purpose - Destiny?

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You can prove the somebody called Jesus died and was resurrected?

Most of what was written about Jesus was done after he died so the witnesses to this resurrection were not even there

Affirm is to prove or provide evidence ?

I know that if I pour petrol on a fire it gets more powerful , that's evidence backed up by science

For me there is no evidence of the existence of God, christ doing miracles etc and the afterlife so unless someone comes up with any it all stops there .

PROVE that somebody died and was resurrected?

Have you watched this 2017 Film about an skeptical award winning journalist who investigates this - and like you, the last thing he wants to find is that he is looking at actual History.....

THE CASE FOR CHRIST (2017)

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Re: Is violence to genuine football fans what religion is to actual Christianity?

You were force fed religion, I would agree with you that religion makes no sense and only drives people away from their Creator, not the opposite.

Interesting.