Palestine Israel

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Re: Palestine Israel

I don't know about others, but I have no problem believing that a minor Jewish prophet and agitator called Jesus (or the original version of that name) lived, annoyed the religious hierarchy, and was executed by the Romans. Either one man or a number of different people from the same period whose stories were conflated in the (sparse) written records. That is very different from accepting all the supernatural stuff that was and is wrapped around the story and the way the cult turned into a series of linked belief systems over the next two millennia - systems that were used to control large parts of the global population through the Church.

You believe in the literal truth of the Old Testament! You believe in the truth of the four main gospels - which contradict each other and were written 30-100 years after the execution of Jesus by non-eye witnesses working in the propaganda unit of the new cult. But despite all your blind faith and credulousness the best you can come up with as proof of your beliefs is Jeremy Bowen and a sensationalist BBC drama-doc that was best remembered for its ludicrous 'facial reconstruction' punchline. Have you read the link you posted?

Yes, and I watched the series some 20 years ago as it went out on a weekly basis.

The particular point being addressed was SLUDGE insisting that Jesus Christ did not exist, my answer which uses the unlikely instument that is the BBC, answers that question clearly and leaves no doubt whatsoever. Also given the fact that someone who remains an atheist (to this day as far as I am aware) is saying the history is irrefutable re Christ Jesus, then you can hardly say I have called a loaded witness to the stand.

As for your assumptions about the accuracies of the Gospels, I am happy to discuss your best example of this, fire away.....

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Unfortunately, even she can't conjure up an answer for you re the firm evidence of Christ as reported above by the BBC and their atheist reporter who says the evidence is irrefutable.

No evidence at all

Body

Grave

Nothing

If you believe in something written 2000 years ago or whenever it was to be irrefutable evidence of Jesus christ , God and the great gig in the sky then you have failed I am afraid

Some bloke walking around being nice to people 2000 years ago is not factual evidence of someone being able to do miracles or his dad up in the clouds actually existing

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Yes, and I watched the series some 20 years ago as it went out on a weekly basis.

The particular point being addressed was SLUDGE insisting that Jesus Christ did not exist, my answer which uses the unlikely instument that is the BBC, answers that question clearly and leaves no doubt whatsoever. Also given the fact that someone who remains an atheist (to this day as far as I am aware) is saying the history is irrefutable re Christ Jesus, then you can hardly say I have called a loaded witness to the stand.

As for your assumptions about the accuracies of the Gospels, I am happy to discuss your best example of this, fire away.....

Don't be such a sap

Some bloke was a bit of a cult 2000 years ago , did a few public speaking events then got done over by the Romans

That's not existence of God, heaven, Jesus christ his son , the parting of the waves and a few loaves of hovis and a tin of tuna feeding 5000 homeless

[IanD]

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Takes a Cardiff boyo to prove the existence of Jesus. In 2000 years there will be a cult of Jeremy. Couldn't make it up.

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No evidence at all

Body

Grave

Nothing

If you believe in something written 2000 years ago or whenever it was to be irrefutable evidence of Jesus christ , God and the great gig in the sky then you have failed I am afraid

Some bloke walking around being nice to people 2000 years ago is not factual evidence of someone being able to do miracles or his dad up in the clouds actually existing

I see, so the experienced middle eastern correspondant (atheist) that the BBC chose, who just like you didn't want any part of it to be true, wasn't as astute as yourself? Understood

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I see, so the experienced middle eastern correspondant (atheist) that the BBC chose, who just like you didn't want any part of it to be true, wasn't as astute as yourself? Understood

You're completely ignoring the fact that many of us, Sludge included, aren't disagreeing with the "middle eastern correspondant (atheist)" that there may well have been a man called Jesus who had followers. What we, and undoubtedly the "middle eastern correspondant (atheist)" disagree with is the rest water into wine, parting of the red sea, the animals went in two by two and of course the world was made in 7 days greatest hits

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I see, so the experienced middle eastern correspondant (atheist) that the BBC chose, who just like you didn't want any part of it to be true, wasn't as astute as yourself? Understood

He's saying there might have been a hippy walking around 2000 plus years ago who was a bit of a chilled out , friendly chap .

He's not saying he fed starving people in their thousands , taught blind men how to see or helped bed ridden people walk

This is hard work

[Divine Wright]

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You're completely ignoring the fact that many of us, Sludge included, aren't disagreeing with the "middle eastern correspondant (atheist)" that there may well have been a man called Jesus who had followers. What we, and undoubtedly the "middle eastern correspondant (atheist)" disagree with is the rest water into wine, parting of the red sea, the animals went in two by two and of course the world was made in 7 days greatest hits

He does what he wants,
He does what he wants,
Jesus Christ/God,
He does what he wants.

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You're completely ignoring the fact that many of us, Sludge included, aren't disagreeing with the "middle eastern correspondant (atheist)" that there may well have been a man called Jesus who had followers. What we, and undoubtedly the "middle eastern correspondant (atheist)" disagree with is the rest water into wine, parting of the red sea, the animals went in two by two and of course the world was made in 7 days greatest hits

I'm ignoring NO facts, Sludge stated that Jesus didn't even exist. That is now dealt with. He does.

Now to your questions.

Well done for getting one appropriate question re Jesus - Water into wine.

* The Red Sea appears in the OT - Moses not Jesus.
* Creation was in 6 days, not 7.

So with regard to all the above, would you like to confirm that your issue is with the existence and power of God?

If so, what is your own origin model for complex DNA, the Universe and the existence of all things?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I'm ignoring NO facts, Sludge stated that Jesus didn't even exist. That is now dealt with. He does.

Now to your questions.

Well done for getting one appropriate question re Jesus - Water into wine.

* The Red Sea appears in the OT - Moses not Jesus.
* Creation was in 6 days, not 7.

So with regard to all the above, would you like to confirm that your issue is with the existence and power of God?

If so, what is your own origin model for complex DNA, the Universe and the existence of all things?

What evidence is there of the existence of Moses and of the veracity of the stories, including the creation story, that have been attributed to him?

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What evidence is there of the existence of Moses and of the veracity of the stories, including the creation story, that have been attributed to him?

Ok, so we are again moving the goalposts back a few more millenia in the hope that the Bible may turn out to be fiction and we can all go back to just worrying about our status in the Championship.

The authenticity of the Bible is a massive yet crucial issue, I'll be glad to address that next week. For the next 3 days I have much to attend to, so thanks for the questions, see you early next week - God willing

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Ok, so we are again moving the goalposts back a few more millenia in the hope that the Bible may turn out to be fiction and we can all go back to just worrying about our status in the Championship.

The authenticity of the Bible is a massive yet crucial issue, I'll be glad to address that next week. For the next 3 days I have much to attend to, so thanks for the questions, see you early next week - God willing

If you get hit by a bus will that be chance or gods will ?

It's all cobblers

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I'm ignoring NO facts, Sludge stated that Jesus didn't even exist. That is now dealt with. He does.

Now to your questions.

Well done for getting one appropriate question re Jesus - Water into wine.

* The Red Sea appears in the OT - Moses not Jesus.
* Creation was in 6 days, not 7.

So with regard to all the above, would you like to confirm that your issue is with the existence and power of God?

If so, what is your own origin model for complex DNA, the Universe and the existence of all things?

He was a hippy who helped feed the poor

And that's it

He didn't perform miracles and he didn't have a bloke in the sky who had a white beard and ruled the universe

Because that is all fairy tales

Creation ?

Dinosaurs ? 🦕

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Ok, so we are again moving the goalposts back a few more millenia in the hope that the Bible may turn out to be fiction and we can all go back to just worrying about our status in the Championship.

The authenticity of the Bible is a massive yet crucial issue, I'll be glad to address that next week. For the next 3 days I have much to attend to, so thanks for the questions, see you early next week - God willing

3 days? The universe was half-finished in 3 days!

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3 days? The universe was half-finished in 3 days!

Ok, you were asking questions last week relating to how can we know that the Bible is what it claims to be, which is a set of books that is inpired by an Almighty Being from outside our time and space?

Many tests could be done, so are you happy if we look at:

(1) History (that we CAN verify elsewhere) and

(2) foreknowledge/ prophecy recorded in the Bible that someone would only have if they were outside our time & space?