Reply With QuoteThat's a very vague statement?Originally Posted by trampie09
Please give an example re England to make your point, thanks
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Unfortunately it is a state matter in England and Israel and that is why the way both those places are run is backward.
That's a very vague statement?
Please give an example re England to make your point, thanks
Only a Church of England adherent can be Monarch of the UK state and out in Israel although a fifth of the population are Arabs Arabic has been demoted from one of the official languages of the country alongside Hebrew due to the nation-state bill which states that Israel is “the national home of the Jewish people".That's a very vague statement?
Please give an example re England to make your point, thanks
Very backward looking places are England and Israel.
I'm not so sure loads of people want to be king or queen of any country, including England.
And thanks for acknowledging that 1 in 5 people in Israel are are Arabs; an extremely generous stance from Israel given that certain Arabs have been aiming to obliterate them for many thousands of years and indeed NOW!
* Example (**SEPTEMBER 2021) >> "A top European Union official has denounced Palestinian Authority textbooks as “deeply problematic” after a study found that the educational materials promote antisemitic tropes, glorify violence against civilians, and erase Israel from maps of the region" - LINK
They wouldn't be able to be if they were not CoE they would be banned from the position.
what the hell?
"certain" Arabs in your words are aiming to obliterate Israel. so in your opinion it is *extremely generous* for Israel to allow any Arabs to live there? Are you suggesting that all Arabs are in some way culpable for the actions or rhetoric of a few?
Haven’t read the whole thread (yet) but it always amazes and saddens me that a race that went through what the Jews did in the 20th century can behave in the way they do towards another race no matter the argument.
Obviously not, and neither do Israel as we see this from the fact that they welcome Arab businesses and families to settle and prosper in Israel.
It's remarkable how most people in these discussions view the actions of Israel through a microscope and everyone around them the same as Arsene Wenger when his centre half cuts the oppositions striker in half
This how i feel .Just so sad.
The deputy head of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said Monday that Tehran’s strategy was to eventually wipe Israel off the “global political map.” - Article
Yes, brilliant logic, they should allow anyone to have another pop at erasing them from history
By stealing Palestinian land, demolishing homes, ethnic cleansing, and treating Arabs in Israel and the occupied territories as second class citizens - in practice and in law?The deputy head of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said Monday that Tehran’s strategy was to eventually wipe Israel off the “global political map.” - Article
Yes, brilliant logic, they should allow anyone to have another pop at erasing them from history
Iran faces international sanctions. Israel gets a diplomatic free pass with the USA veto in the UN, is armed and funded by the USA, and has open lobbying groups that include organised sections of the two major parties in the UK parliament.
But if GOD has given Israeli Jews the ‘title deeds’ to other people’s land in the region all must be OK? That is your Zionist belief - but not the belief of a growing number of secular, socialist, younger and even Orthodox Jews around the world.
yes your bible is so perfect too.The deputy head of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said Monday that Tehran’s strategy was to eventually wipe Israel off the “global political map.” - Article
Yes, brilliant logic, they should allow anyone to have another pop at erasing them from history
“The Lord shall cause your enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you; they will come out against you one way and will flee before you seven ways. Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’
So what imperfection are you referring to re the above passage?
How about using dead bodies as a footstool,very christian ways.
That particular phrase is a metaphor, and if you look at their history, and to use a footballing term, they have always used the counter attack rather than gone looking for enemies to defeat.
To disagree with such actions, you would also need to say that Churchill was wrong by saying "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender".
Or should we be all talking German, never missing penalties and buying sauerkraut on the way home from the match?
Churchill didn't win us the war , the men and women of all nationalities .......and he didn't like them ......did
He didn't do any fighting at all
And when it ended he carved up Europe and many people died in ethnic cleansing as he and others stood by
Don't bring him into this debate please 🙄
I didn't say that he did win us the war, try reading what is said rather than addressing something that hasn't been said!
I asked, was he WRONG to say what he did, yes or no?
God has determined certain things that will happen for Israel come what may. While many may not understand that mindset, God has also said that all who stand by them will prosper and vv for those who do the opposite. History has repeatedly shown this to be true.
No, many do not understand that mindset.
It is depressing, infantile and dangerous.
It leads to your stance of not just excusing, but trumpeting war crimes and daily human rights abuses.
Slow but incessant ethnic cleansing to you is evidence of Israeli 'restraint' - as if they should get a Nobel Peace Prize for taking their time!
And history has shown nothing of the sort!
Thanks for admitting you don't understand, and the expected attack without dialogue.
The truth is, you are more interested in hatred than understanding.
I think I understand very well.
What sort of 'dialogue' do you expect? You will not convert me to supernatural beliefs or to unquestioning and total acceptance of the literal truth of the Old Testament.
You have adopted a world view that is irrational, and leads to systemic state racism and abuse - with your full unqualified support.
And you have the gall to accuse me of hatred? I hate your belief system - which presumably also includes barbaric and inhuman views on sexual orientation, adultery and alternative beliefs to your own? The supposed 'word of God' covers a lot of categories and Bronze Age transgressions. But I don't hate you. Pity maybe.
There have been at least half a dozen other posters who have strong religious beliefs and have contributed to the threads on religion and faith. I disagree with most of them but have no problem discussing the issues, am interested in their views, and sometimes finding some areas of common ground. But fundamentalist evangelicals like you occupy a space beyond debate. You belong in Gilead!
It fills me with despair that these people still. spout their nonsense on this subject, and I don't discriminate on religion; they certainly aren't exclusive to Christianity nor Judaism.
From a more encouraging perspective I believe more and more people are seeing through this indoctrination and adopting Humanist beliefs. I live in hope this will eventually lead to a more peaceful and equitable world.
No, they also explain the rise of radical Islamist views and Hindu fundamentalism.
If it just exists in someone's head, or amongst a group of like-minded cultists, it probably does little harm. The problems come when the adherents get off their shopping centre soap boxes and lead or influence governments, or street mobs, and the cults grow into mass movements. That has happened in Iran and India, on a smaller scale in Israel, and many other places, with governmental cheer-leaders in the USA (at least under Trump), Brazil and even some states in Europe.
I hope you are right about the growth of humanist beliefs. I think there has been a move in the last half century away from unquestioning religious beliefs in many parts of the world, but at the same time a hardening and growth of fundamentalism in Islam, Judaism and Christianity - and maybe the Hindu faith too.
Maybe two steps forward and one step back?
Jon, as you are a great supporter of it, please share one attractive guarantee that humanism provides in an uncertain world that is life in 2021?
I don't know that there are any guarantees. But I prefer rational to irrational beliefs, and think we have no choice than to put our faith (though not in the sense that you would use the word) in people rather than invented supernatural beings. I want governments, pushed by public opinion, to make decisions that prevent climate catastrophe. I don't believe that chanting to some random deity is as effective as collective social and political action for the benefit of humanity and the planet. In the uncertain world of 2021 that seems to me to be the way to go. We are the most creative and destructive life form on this planet and we need to get our act together fast. No delusions. No distractions.
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