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  • #16
    Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

    Originally posted by Feedback View Post

    Developers cannot build because they cannot get planning. Councils do not build because mass social house building is only required in extraordinary times.
    Maybe the world has changed since I stopped working in public housing 7 years ago - but at that time developers were definitely land banking, and (along with their supporters in the Tory Party) blaming planning regs. No doubt planning systems and regs can be improved, but my experience was they were put up as an excuse for developers wanting greenfield sites not brownfield, and resisting requirements to include section 106 affordable housing in some developments. It was mostly a smokescreen to maximise profits.

    Councils do not build council housing because they are unable to fund them (despite the self-financing Housing Revenue Acount reforms of a decade ago) and because they will still be subject to Right To Buy - meaning the public (councils and remaining tenants) will continue to subsidise a section of new owner occupiers. Mass social house building is needed now.

    The other recent factor affecting housing costs and supply - and a reason for owner occupation in the UK dropping from over 70% in 2003 to under 65% now - is the 'buy to rent' phenomena. Vast numbers of homes - new build and ex RTB council in particular - have been hoovered up by the new breed of landlord who then push up rents and collect from the affluent who can afford them, or those on housing benefits (so the state, or taxpayers, have to afford them) for those that can't. People in the middle get squeezed.

    This is what happens when housing is seen as an investment asset, for personal or company benefit, not as a home. That mindset is much more prevalent in the UK than most other parts of Europe as Sludge said - even Romania with its' 97% owner occupation rate!

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    • #17
      Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

      Originally posted by tforturton View Post
      When I was 26, I bought a flat. The Building society wanted 10% deposit, and would lend three times my salary of £10,000. So, my dad gave me the £3000 deposit, then three times £10,000 meant I could borrow £30,000. I got a place for £30,000.

      Try that these days. Even a cheap house in Cardiff is at least £200,000. So you need a £20,000 deposit, then you need to be on £60,000 a year, to qualify for that three times your salary thing. Not very likely at a young age.
      I was 25 when I bought my flat.
      I had finished uni in '77, got a job base in London but was immediated seconded to Edinburgh for 6 months - on expenses, so barely touched my salary of £3000. While there, I worked 9 to 5, then had computer time of 8 til midnight, so a shed load on overtime.
      By the spring of '79, I had £3000 saved. I bought a 3 bed flat in London for £14000 . Took all my savings, but it was the best thing I had ever done. 5 years later moved within London, selling flat for £23000, buying house for £29000. Two years later got transferred to Cardiff, sold London house for £63000, bought Cardiff house for £48000., where I still live.
      No help from parents, just a combo of long hours and a decent slice of luck.

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      • #18
        Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

        Originally posted by Feedback View Post
        Agreed. The lack of supply (caused by an archaic and not fit for purpose planning system) is keeping prices artificially high.


        Developers cannot build because they cannot get planning. Councils do not build because mass social house building is only required in extraordinary times.
        I've been dealing with the local council this past two months regarding alterations to my house and to be fair to them they have been O.K, they didn't go the extra mile and make it clear what I need to do preferring to refer me to literature, fortunately I bumped into someone who works in the planning dept. who gave me an avenue to pursue which got me a quick decision and saved me a nice wedge.

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        • #19
          Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

          Originally posted by Feedback View Post
          Agreed. The lack of supply (caused by an archaic and not fit for purpose planning system) is keeping prices artificially high.


          Developers cannot build because they cannot get planning. Councils do not build because mass social house building is only required in extraordinary times.
          Like the last 30 years plus

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          • #20
            Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

            Originally posted by Doucas View Post
            How do you not get this? Many people my age will never get a mortgage or never be able to afford a family. Lucky my arse.
            Don't know why you wouldn't get a mortgage, only reason would be credit or lack of employment. Mortgages are extremely easy to get compared with 30yrs ago. Big difference was you started with a cheaper property/flat and slowly moved 'up the ladder'. Today people want to move in to their 'forever home' straight away. It's hard nowadays, but it was hard then, too.

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            • #21
              Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

              Originally posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
              Don't know why you wouldn't get a mortgage, only reason would be credit or lack of employment. Mortgages are extremely easy to get compared with 30yrs ago. Big difference was you started with a cheaper property/flat and slowly moved 'up the ladder'. Today people want to move in to their 'forever home' straight away. It's hard nowadays, but it was hard then, too.

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              • #22
                Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

                Originally posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
                Don't know why you wouldn't get a mortgage, only reason would be credit or lack of employment. Mortgages are extremely easy to get compared with 30yrs ago. Big difference was you started with a cheaper property/flat and slowly moved 'up the ladder'. Today people want to move in to their 'forever home' straight away. It's hard nowadays, but it was hard then, too.
                So you're saying everyone who is employed can get a mortgage easily? Is this a joke?

                Where are you getting this information from that people want a forever home right away? You're talking nonsense.

                Just take a read of this - https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk...060042411.html

                Also did you take a look at the average wage vs house price graph I posted earlier? https://images.app.goo.gl/P1NT2ZDTC8VgKis98

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                • #23
                  Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

                  Originally posted by Feedback View Post
                  The two issues are

                  1. The lack of supply. The state doing everything it can via planning to stifle development and stop new builds.

                  2. Empty nesters sitting in 3, 4 and 5 bedroom houses that would be better utilised as family homes, freeing up more housing. Its not we don't have enough bedrooms in the UK, we have so many houses with bedrooms not used.
                  Don't forget the NIMBYs.

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                  • #24
                    Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

                    Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
                    Maybe the world has changed since I stopped working in public housing 7 years ago - but at that time developers were definitely land banking, and (along with their supporters in the Tory Party) blaming planning regs. No doubt planning systems and regs can be improved, but my experience was they were put up as an excuse for developers wanting greenfield sites not brownfield, and resisting requirements to include section 106 affordable housing in some developments. It was mostly a smokescreen to maximise profits.

                    Councils do not build council housing because they are unable to fund them (despite the self-financing Housing Revenue Acount reforms of a decade ago) and because they will still be subject to Right To Buy - meaning the public (councils and remaining tenants) will continue to subsidise a section of new owner occupiers. Mass social house building is needed now.

                    The other recent factor affecting housing costs and supply - and a reason for owner occupation in the UK dropping from over 70% in 2003 to under 65% now - is the 'buy to rent' phenomena. Vast numbers of homes - new build and ex RTB council in particular - have been hoovered up by the new breed of landlord who then push up rents and collect from the affluent who can afford them, or those on housing benefits (so the state, or taxpayers, have to afford them) for those that can't. People in the middle get squeezed.

                    This is what happens when housing is seen as an investment asset, for personal or company benefit, not as a home. That mindset is much more prevalent in the UK than most other parts of Europe as Sludge said - even Romania with its' 97% owner occupation rate!
                    Buy-to-let landlords are the worst in my experience. They spend the absolute bare minimum maintaining their properties because the rent goes straight towards paying their mortgage each month.

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                    • #25
                      Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

                      Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
                      The two issues are

                      1. The unaffordable cost of housing (sale and rent).

                      2. Disincentives to council house building and land banking by developers (the lack of supply).
                      Landbanking is a myth

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                      • #26
                        Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

                        Originally posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
                        Buy-to-let landlords are the worst in my experience. They spend the absolute bare minimum maintaining their properties because the rent goes straight towards paying their mortgage each month.
                        Thankfully (and surprisingly with a Tory Gov in charge) tax changes are slowly forcing out the small scale private landlords in favour of the big build to rent corporates that punt on long terms rather than pinching every penny.

                        Of course there are some good landlords but the future is with these big nationals such as L&G

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                        • #27
                          Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

                          Originally posted by WJ99mobile View Post
                          Landbanking is a myth
                          No it isn't. Or at least, no it wasn't a few years ago.

                          The investment scams around land banking were fairly minor in scale, some described here:



                          What I was talking about were housing developers who slow timed on developments because they were waiting for prices to rise or for local authorities to drop planning requirements in frustration at the lack of progress. I know it happened. I was working with a batch of house builders as part of my job (Decent Homes programme and new build feasibility schemes) who were doing exactly that. My direct experience was from 2006-14

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                          • #28
                            Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

                            Originally posted by WJ99mobile View Post
                            Of course there are some good landlords
                            That’s news to me

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                            • #29
                              Re: The state of Cardiff's housing market as prices grow twice as fast as wages

                              Originally posted by jon1959 View Post
                              No it isn't. Or at least, no it wasn't a few years ago.

                              The investment scams around land banking were fairly minor in scale, some described here:



                              What I was talking about were housing developers who slow timed on developments because they were waiting for prices to rise or for local authorities to drop planning requirements in frustration at the lack of progress. I know it happened. I was working with a batch of house builders as part of my job (Decent Homes programme and new build feasibility schemes) who were doing exactly that. My direct experience was from 2006-14
                              Perhaps during the crash of 2007 where it wasn’t feasible to build but now the large scale developers are now building to capacity and it’s only labour and material shortages holding them back and it’s been like that for years.

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