People calling for Tan to go

[dml1954]

Re: People calling for Tan to go

You can't have a Director of Football until you have someone competent enough to choose the right person for the job.

If it's left to Choo and Dalman to pick the best man for the job, i.e. someone who has a wealth of football knowledge but hasn't held such a position before, then you wouldn't be overly confident they'd get it right - in the same way they seldom get their managerial selection right.
The chain of events would require Choo and Dalman to leave first, before a DoF was brought in.

If they were to remain, the only hope would be that they headhunt a 'tried and tested' DoF who is currently employed at another club, but that will likely come at a high risk of compensation payment.

It cant happen, in the current football world and financial climate. How many other EFL clubs have a director of football currently ? - very few I would guess. Most managers also don't like working with a DoF.

[dml1954]

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Tan has been a good owner in many respects but not having a football man on the board and leaving Dalman and co to select the manager has been gross incompetence.

The thing is, it is his club and his money. He can basically do what he likes and all the sniping and moaning is a waste of time. Fans would be better off using their time and efforts to get behind the team and help get them out of this dreadful run before it is too late. That, after all, is what the fans ‘job’ is. How can anyone call themselves a fan if they don't go to games or stop going because they don't like the manager, individual players, team tactics or the owner/chairman. That to me is the antithesis of what a fan should be.

[sanctum of blue]

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Tan has never been shy on the investment side of the club ( training complex, unused tier an academy)

He has been badly burned by his advisors..
-- those investors who reclaimed their millions for advising him we would love red leaving him to take the flak
-- Warnock, spent millions on average aging players and allegedly taking backhanders.
-- Malky as mentioned above somewhere was probably the catalyst Tan not trusting managers
-- His 'yes' men at the club who take a huge wage and have allowed this situation.

He is the owner of a global company and probably has little time to get involved in any of his football teams so relies on 'trusted' advisors whom are shockingly letting him down.

Shame Rick Wright never had the money like Tan so just remember the owners like the Kumars and Hamman who cleaned us out all while pretending to love us!! oh and the riddler.

maybe his new liverpool supporting addition to us could bear fruit

[Mr Soul '68]

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Cardiff, Unsalted Cardiff and I can't believe it's not Cardiff

One would play in blue, one in red, and one in a mixture of red and blue, surely?

[pomeroy]

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It always amazes me that not all the idiots are on the other board. Tan owns CCFC lock stock and barrel. Almost all of the debt is owed directly to Tan and without him the club is insolvent. In other words the club, at the present moment, is not a saleable proposition and nobody, in their right mind, would offer enough to at least cover Tan’s debt. Those buffoons calling for Vincent to go must ask themselves what lunatic is prepared to pay in excess of £100 million for a Championship club soon to be manager less and threatened with relegation!!

[blue lewj]

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It always amazes me that not all the idiots are on the other board. Tan owns CCFC lock stock and barrel. Almost all of the debt is owed directly to Tan and without him the club is insolvent. In other words the club, at the present moment, is not a saleable proposition and nobody, in their right mind, would offer enough to at least cover Tan’s debt. Those buffoons calling for Vincent to go must ask themselves what lunatic is prepared to pay in excess of £100 million for a Championship club soon to be manager less and threatened with relegation!!

Makes you wonder why Tan bought us in the first place.

[blue lewj]

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One would play in blue, one in red, and one in a mixture of red and blue, surely?

With an earwig on the badge.

[Dorcus]

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I can understand people clinging to what we've currently got (which isn't much) rather than contemplate a future which could be even worse. Who knows what's round the corner?

However, there's surely a stark reality to the direction the club is heading. It must be obvious to everyone Tan is looking to extricate himself from the club at the earliest opportunity and at a price of his choosing. When the red debacle finally ended he made it clear "no further significant investment' and for all his failings I believe him to be a man of his word.

We will never make progress under his watch. His only concern is to make the club saleable and he wants hands on control of his personnel. Therefore even if he got rid of Dalman and Choo he would only likely recruit two lookalikes. He is never going to employ football people in the interests of developing the club.

It actually might be in our interests to get relegated so that he might take a much lower bid just to get out of a failed project. Hopefully that might enable more forward thinking owners to put cash and knowledge into getting us on the right road.

[dembethewarrior]

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Money is a very good starting point though and my point is that the owner has pumped enough in for any vaguely competent CEO and Chairman to have made a better job of running the club than ours have.

I’d like to believe that Tan, Dalman and Choo would finally see the light and accept that they don’t have the football knowledge collectively to tyrn us into, for example, a Burnley, Brighton, Palace, Brentford or even a Coventry, but City fans have been talking about the need for something like a Director of Football for five years and more and we’re still as far away as ever from appointing one.

I’m guessing and I may be wrong, but I think the Mackay/Moody incident deeply effected Vincent Tan and has left him with a deep distrust of “football people” - it’s as if he has an advisor he trusts who makes recommendations on things like managerial appointments based on the sort of person they think Tan could work with.

Four of our last five managers have been, basically, defensive, long ball merchants, hence we’ve ended with the current very limited technically squad of senior pros which are so much worse at retaining the ball than almost every team they play. This has been a gradual process which Tan, Dalman and Choo have done nothing to try to halt, so I can only conclude that it is a route they have been happy to go down - for me, given his public pronouncements on the game, it seems reasonable to believe that Vincent Tan likes us to be bigger and more physical than our opponents and has little patience with what he sees as messing about with the ball at the back, it’s entirely believable that he’d want us to lump it forward as soon as possible.

I was just pointing out that too often money is seen as the answer, and people expect success just because money has been pumped in, but too often it doesn't work.

There are more important things for the club to fix.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Tan owns CCFC lock stock and barrel. Almost all of the debt is owed directly to Tan and without him the club is insolvent. In other words the club, at the present moment, is not a saleable proposition and nobody, in their right mind, would offer enough to at least cover Tan’s debt.

If this is the case, does it mean Vincent Tan will own Cardiff City until he dies? And what happens then?

If not, what do you reckon are the likeliest future scenarios?

[pomeroy]

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If this is the case, does it mean Vincent Tan will own Cardiff City until he dies? And what happens then?

If not, what do you reckon are the likeliest future scenarios?

If you had £100K mortgage on your house and due to a number of circumstances it is now worth £10k, however rich you are you are not minded to sell it. However if your house , again due to a number of circumstances, has the potential over time to be worth considerably more than £100k you might look at selling. IMO the club has to be worth something close to what it owes Tan for him to contemplate selling. We are lucky in the sense that most of our debt is owed to Tan not to banks or other lenders but because of this it seems likely that unless there is a quick change in the club fortunes Tan is likely to be in situ for a good time. I, like you, have little idea as to what the future holds but it seems that we, like a host of other clubs, have to come to terms with economic reality and start by stop paying grossly obscene wages to ordinary players. The average Championship player salary for 20/21 season is reported at over £29K per week, much more than your average Joe earns in a year. This lunatic scenario is not sustainable and will have to addressed by Tan, and many other clubs, in the near future.

[dembethewarrior]

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The thing is, it is his club and his money. He can basically do what he likes and all the sniping and moaning is a waste of time. Fans would be better off using their time and efforts to get behind the team and help get them out of this dreadful run before it is too late. That, after all, is what the fans ‘job’ is. How can anyone call themselves a fan if they don't go to games or stop going because they don't like the manager, individual players, team tactics or the owner/chairman. That to me is the antithesis of what a fan should be.

He CAN do what he wants yes. But surely you want him to do what is best?

[dembethewarrior]

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The thing is, it is his club and his money. He can basically do what he likes and all the sniping and moaning is a waste of time. Fans would be better off using their time and efforts to get behind the team and help get them out of this dreadful run before it is too late. That, after all, is what the fans ‘job’ is. How can anyone call themselves a fan if they don't go to games or stop going because they don't like the manager, individual players, team tactics or the owner/chairman. That to me is the antithesis of what a fan should be.

How Wikipedia defines sports fan

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_...social%20media.

[Mr Soul '68]

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With an earwig on the badge.

The team playing in blue would go back to just having a bluebird as a badge i.e the badge worn when I first went down in season 68/69

The team playing in red would have a giant millipede as it's badge.

Meanwhile the team playing in blue and red would feature a bluebird with a giant centipede in it's mouth

[198bore]

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We all know the solution is to appoint a football person to run things. Preferably someone with an affiliation with the club that can connect with the fans. But that's isn't going to happen. Tan wants his mate to run things as he trusts him with his money and said mate doesn't know anything about football so it's wipe and repeat from here on in.