Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

We're on the verge of being in dire straits, and it's absolutely essential that fans are putting pressure on the board to act differently, because they're clearly blind to how bad the footballing situation may soon become.

Lest we forget that the vast majority of City's fanbase stood passively by while their club's identity was being stripped out from under them. Be realistic, what do you think the supporters are likely to do in the current circumstances?

[Dorcus]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

Personally, I think Tan isn't interested in the club in the least and hasn't been since we turned back to blue, despite the flim-flam people write on here about him putting his hand in his pocket to keep us afloat. I don't believe for one minute that there has been one concrete offer for the club

The way things look, he is willing to take a loss on us if we go down

If I was a gambling man, which I am not, I think we'll go for Mike Flynn. He's currently out of work. Lives locally. Will be cheap, and saved Cewnty from going out of the league a few seasons back. Sooooo...therefore we'll end up with Chris Wilder lol

I'd say Mike Flynn is a good bet too; he's cheap so that'll suit Tan.

I think the rest of your post is pretty well spot on but where I differ is on the point of offers to buy the club. I can well believe offers come and go all the time and some are not worth replying to such as a Sam Hammam takeover. However I think Tan can't wait to get rid of us but he's holding out for an unachievable sum given our dire circumstances.

[Hilts]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

For me, all this talk of "re-financing" the club is just a complete smokescreen for what's actually going on - the club is being stripped bare.

It's understandable given that Tan's businesses have probably struggled during the pandemic and the club is engulfed in legal battles, but if he's not able to properly support the football side of the business, he needs to admit that and walk away. Dalman keeps saying that Tan has had offers to sell and refused them, but for me that's not because of his commitment to the success of the club, it's because he wants to get his money back.

Since we were relegated the club has talked about cutting down the size of the squad and wage budget, making it sustainable. But in comparison to so many clubs at our level, we never had an oversized playing squad and we didn't have big earners. Some players who didn't play enough to justify their salary, yes, but no one earning a extortionate amount.

Over the past year we've cut back on our playing budget even further. With the players out of contract next summer, we're going to be extremely light on senior players. It's not "sustainable" for a Championship club to be so low on senior players.

Dalman's comment that he didn't think they would have to worry about the football side of things is extremely worrying. The board think that this level of investment in the playing squad is enough to survive comfortably in the league. Okay, McCarthy hasn't helped, but our best starting XI is full of gap-fillers, rather than players thriving in their favoured positions. That's not going to cut it for long at this level, especially once the out-of-contract players leave.

And finally, what manager is going to want to come to this club based on what Dalman has told the supporters groups? Moore is surely destined for the door in January to add to our problems, and there's likely no transfer budget for the next two windows.

There's no chance that Wilder comes in based on that arrangement, and it's unlikely that we'd offer him enough money. Dalman has said he's not willing to take the risk on an unproven young manager, and we're not going to be buying someone out of contract from another club. So who does that leave us with? Someone like Mark Bowen is looking most likely.

We're on the verge of being in dire straits, and it's absolutely essential that fans are putting pressure on the board to act differently, because they're clearly blind to how bad the footballing situation may soon become.

If the club is being stripped bare then why did we turn down offers for Kiefer Moore and Cieran Brown?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

Personally, I think Tan isn't interested in the club in the least and hasn't been since we turned back to blue, despite the flim-flam people write on here about him putting his hand in his pocket to keep us afloat. I don't believe for one minute that there has been one concrete offer for the club

The way things look, he is willing to take a loss on us if we go down

If I was a gambling man, which I am not, I think we'll go for Mike Flynn. He's currently out of work. Lives locally. Will be cheap, and saved Cewnty from going out of the league a few seasons back. Sooooo...therefore we'll end up with Chris Wilder lol

It's a dark, seedy business that's for sure. I don't believe anything the board say anymore and haven't for years.

I too think Mike Flynn will be our best bet if money is really that tight. It's not really fair though to choose him because of a cheap price-tag, I happen to think he'd be a really good choice and fit for us under the current circumstances and league position. I watched a lot of his Newport teams pre-lockdown including the Leeds and Spurs matches at Rodney Parade and they've always given their all. He's learned a lot, is well-respected by his peers (by all accounts) and has made friends at bigger clubs during Newport's cup runs.

He's had four years at Newport so is not the risk that people think he is.

[stan butler]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

Personally, I think Tan isn't interested in the club in the least and hasn't been since we turned back to blue, despite the flim-flam people write on here about him putting his hand in his pocket to keep us afloat. I don't believe for one minute that there has been one concrete offer for the club

The way things look, he is willing to take a loss on us if we go down

If I was a gambling man, which I am not, I think we'll go for Mike Flynn. He's currently out of work. Lives locally. Will be cheap, and saved Cewnty from going out of the league a few seasons back. Sooooo...therefore we'll end up with Chris Wilder lol

Since the red fiasco was reversed Tan has put millions into the club for the likes of Warnock to spend so i don't get how he lost interest after going back to blue.
It would be nice to hear from Tan but it don't bother me if he attends games or not.

[Hilts]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

Lost interest but still responsible for tactics. Its the silly season.

[Mr Soul '68]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

I'd say Mike Flynn is a good bet too; he's cheap so that'll suit Tan.

I think the rest of your post is pretty well spot on but where I differ is on the point of offers to buy the club. I can well believe offers come and go all the time and some are not worth replying to such as a Sam Hammam takeover. However I think Tan can't wait to get rid of us but he's holding out for an unachievable sum given our dire circumstances.

I'd love to know what offers Tan has received for the club. Will we ever know, and how much they were for and when were the offers made? I doubt us fans will ever know the truth behind any offers if any were ever genuinely made to buy the club

[dml1954]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

It's a dark, seedy business that's for sure. I don't believe anything the board say anymore and haven't for years.

I too think Mike Flynn will be our best bet if money is really that tight. It's not really fair though to choose him because of a cheap price-tag, I happen to think he'd be a really good choice and fit for us under the current circumstances and league position. I watched a lot of his Newport teams pre-lockdown including the Leeds and Spurs matches at Rodney Parade and they've always given their all. He's learned a lot, is well-respected by his peers (by all accounts) and has made friends at bigger clubs during Newport's cup runs.

He's had four years at Newport so is not the risk that people think he is.

What experience has he got in managing a team above League 2 level - none.

What has he actually achieved at Newport - nothing.

If the best compliment you can give him is that his teams ‘give their all’, I would have thought that should be a minimum requirement of any team and it is hardly anything to write home about.

[Mr Soul '68]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

Since the red fiasco was reversed Tan has put millions into the club for the likes of Warnock to spend so i don't get how he lost interest after going back to blue.
It would be nice to hear from Tan but it don't bother me if he attends games or not.

My take on it, was that Tan thought he'd get a lot of decent good offers for the club if he gave the likes of Warnock millions to spend. However, as I stated in my original post i don't believe he has received one decent concrete offer for the club. Yes, he might well have received a few derisory offers, but nothing worth him selling the club for., at the time, pre-covid.

As an aside, how many times has Tan actually attended home games after we turned back to blue? My memory, which isn't always correct, says it is just the once v Derby, several seasons back. I get the impression he wanted us in and around the play-offs, or even in the prem, just like Warnock manged to get us to be (without spending a vast amount of his cash to do so), so we would be viable to sell. As I've said just my own, probably cynical lol, thoughts

[dml1954]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

For me, all this talk of "re-financing" the club is just a complete smokescreen for what's actually going on - the club is being stripped bare.

It's understandable given that Tan's businesses have probably struggled during the pandemic and the club is engulfed in legal battles, but if he's not able to properly support the football side of the business, he needs to admit that and walk away. Dalman keeps saying that Tan has had offers to sell and refused them, but for me that's not because of his commitment to the success of the club, it's because he wants to get his money back.

Since we were relegated the club has talked about cutting down the size of the squad and wage budget, making it sustainable. But in comparison to so many clubs at our level, we never had an oversized playing squad and we didn't have big earners. Some players who didn't play enough to justify their salary, yes, but no one earning a extortionate amount.

Over the past year we've cut back on our playing budget even further. With the players out of contract next summer, we're going to be extremely light on senior players. It's not "sustainable" for a Championship club to be so low on senior players.

Dalman's comment that he didn't think they would have to worry about the football side of things is extremely worrying. The board think that this level of investment in the playing squad is enough to survive comfortably in the league. Okay, McCarthy hasn't helped, but our best starting XI is full of gap-fillers, rather than players thriving in their favoured positions. That's not going to cut it for long at this level, especially once the out-of-contract players leave.

And finally, what manager is going to want to come to this club based on what Dalman has told the supporters groups? Moore is surely destined for the door in January to add to our problems, and there's likely no transfer budget for the next two windows.

There's no chance that Wilder comes in based on that arrangement, and it's unlikely that we'd offer him enough money. Dalman has said he's not willing to take the risk on an unproven young manager, and we're not going to be buying someone out of contract from another club. So who does that leave us with? Someone like Mark Bowen is looking most likely.

We're on the verge of being in dire straits, and it's absolutely essential that fans are putting pressure on the board to act differently, because they're clearly blind to how bad the footballing situation may soon become.

So what would you define as ‘properly support the business’ then. Conservative estimates say that he has pumped over £200m into the club since he came here and that he was covering losses of £3.5m a month during lockdown. Not enough for you though apparently.

How many Championship clubs have spent big this season - hardly any and most are taking severe cost cutting measures. We are not alone in this but there is no evidence that we cant survive or that Tan is going to pull the plug either.

What would happen if Tan did ‘walk away’. We would go bust is the answer but apparently that is preferable to you than him continuing.

How do you know what our players have been earning ?

Your post is all guesswork and supposition but I am not surprised that some people of here have agreed with it, as there has been an agenda to get rid of Tan by some almost since he arrived and every manager we have had in the last 8 years has been castigated and ridiculed almost as soon as they get their feet under the desk.

[Hilts]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

My take on it, was that Tan thought he'd get a lot of decent good offers for the club if he gave the likes of Warnock millions to spend. However, as I stated in my original post i don't believe he has received one decent concrete offer for the club. Yes, he might well have received a few derisory offers, but nothing worth him selling the club for., at the time, pre-covid.

As an aside, how many times has Tan actually attended home games after we turned back to blue? My memory, which isn't always correct, says it is just the once v Derby, several seasons back. I get the impression he wanted us in and around the play-offs, or even in the prem, just like Warnock manged to get us to be (without spending a vast amount of his cash to do so), so we would be viable to sell. As I've said just my own, probably cynical lol, thoughts

He was at the Reading game when we got promoted.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

What experience has he got in managing a team above League 2 level - none.

What has he actually achieved at Newport - nothing.

If the best compliment you can give him is that his teams ‘give their all’, I would have thought that should be a minimum requirement of any team and it is hardly anything to write home about.

And yet after a record 8 defeats under a manager who is supposed to be the more experienced we've done so well haven't we? Do some homework on what he's achieved at Newport with bugger all. Saving Newport from dropping out of the Football League is no mean feat. Beating Leeds with a League 2 side. A play-off final last season. That's nothing? It seems that Cardiff City sides have regulalrly been failing abysmally by your metrics since we got promoted because I haven't seen us give the minimum requirement for years. To see a Cardiff side give their all would be something to write home about.

[stan butler]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

My take on it, was that Tan thought he'd get a lot of decent good offers for the club if he gave the likes of Warnock millions to spend. However, as I stated in my original post i don't believe he has received one decent concrete offer for the club. Yes, he might well have received a few derisory offers, but nothing worth him selling the club for., at the time, pre-covid.

As an aside, how many times has Tan actually attended home games after we turned back to blue? My memory, which isn't always correct, says it is just the once v Derby, several seasons back. I get the impression he wanted us in and around the play-offs, or even in the prem, just like Warnock manged to get us to be (without spending a vast amount of his cash to do so), so we would be viable to sell. As I've said just my own, probably cynical lol, thoughts

I can see what your saying. But maybe i'm wrong in saying not all owners attend games. Tan is a businessman he probably has other interests to keep an eye on to. Same has the big companies i worked for in the past i don't think i ever saw the main man in any of them. That didn't mean he/she wasn't interested the business they just had people in place to do that side of things.

[Hilts]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

Theres a list of depressing options.

Mike Flynn is one of them.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.

So what would you define as ‘properly support the business’ then. Conservative estimates say that he has pumped over £200m into the club since he came here and that he was covering losses of £3.5m a month during lockdown. Not enough for you though apparently.

How many Championship clubs have spent big this season - hardly any and most are taking severe cost cutting measures. We are not alone in this but there is no evidence that we cant survive or that Tan is going to pull the plug either.

What would happen if Tan did ‘walk away’. We would go bust is the answer but apparently that is preferable to you than him continuing.

How do you know what our players have been earning ?

Your post is all guesswork and supposition but I am not surprised that some people of here have agreed with it, as there has been an agenda to get rid of Tan by some almost since he arrived and every manager we have had in the last 8 years has been castigated and ridiculed almost as soon as they get their feet under the desk.

We've had some epic failures though, to be fair.