Latest British Social Survey finds 52% of the Country are non Religious

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Thought you would say that. So trust you accept my alternative explanation?

The point is that believers either consider Bible stories as absolute truth or they consider the stories to be merely symbolic or allegorical. Once you shift to the latter option the whole edifice falls as you fall into the confused area that my lay preacher friend describes as 'pick and mix'.

If I told you that I had a discussion about high energy physics with a badger in my garden last night would you believe it? Do you have a convincing audit trail of proof to believe in the talking snake? Do you have any audit trail to prove that a person called Moses spoke to God and recorded his words? Do you have any proof of that 'God'?
Of course not. Poorly educated people thousands of years ago may have believed in those infantilising stories but we have more evidence of the Big Bang than there is regarding a deity creating the universe in a day.
Most believers don't even have an understanding of who wrote their holy books, how the content was collated, added to, sifted out and everything else.
And practically all believers swallow the first religion that is foisted upon them by parents, the state, school etc.

Talking Snake v Big Bang. There is more evidence in support of the latter.

[truthpaste]

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The default situation is that believers take on board the first religion they are exposed to. No intellectual choice is involved.

I see, so it's us that leave our brain at the door? Yet it's you who:

1. Still can't distinguish religion from repentance and knowing Christ as Lord.

2. Thinks all life, including the complex programmes coded into DNA arose by accident. You have about 10 trillion cells in your body, so if you stretched the DNA in all the cells out, end to end, they'd stretch to 744 million miles.

3. Ignores the complexity of life, the human eye is about an inch across has 2 million working parts, and more than 1 million nerve fibers connected to the brain - and 21st Century SCIENCE is NOT able to reconstruct those connections.

An accident!!! So who is ACTUALLY leaving their brain at the door?

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Thought you would say that. So trust you accept my alternative explanation?

Interesting thread this, would love to know your thoughts on Baloo's question:

Genuine question here as I’m curious about this line of thinking. How are you able you choose to follow one religion over another, or no religion, if your view is not to dismiss anything because it may be you just don’t fully understand it? That would seem at face value to rule no other options out, so why Christianity?

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I see, so it's us that leave our brain at the door? Yet it's you who:

3. The human eye is about an inch across has 2 million working parts, and more than 1 million nerve fibers connected to the brain - and 21st Century SCIENCE is NOT able to reconstruct those connections.

Science doesn't need to reconstruct the connections in the exact same way, it's found a different way of doing it. Not perfect yet, but as you said yourself - we went to the moon on a calculator only 52 years ago so replacement eyes will probably be common in another 52 years https://theconversation.com/artifici...eyes-see-79758

[truthpaste]

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Science doesn't need to reconstruct the connections in the exact same way, it's found a different way of doing it. Not perfect yet, but as you said yourself - we went to the moon on a calculator only 52 years ago so replacement eyes will probably be common in another 52 years https://theconversation.com/artifici...eyes-see-79758

Assuming future success isn't acheivement. And science is a billion miles from producing DNA, yet you still want there to be no programmer for the incredibly mind blowing complexity within DNA?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Science doesn't need to reconstruct the connections in the exact same way, it's found a different way of doing it. Not perfect yet, but as you said yourself - we went to the moon on a calculator only 52 years ago so replacement eyes will probably be common in another 52 years https://theconversation.com/artifici...eyes-see-79758

Is going to the moon on a calculator like Helen Of Troy launching a thousand ships with her face?

[lardy]

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Assuming future success isn't acheivement. And science is a billion miles from producing DNA, yet you still want there to be no programmer for the incredibly mind blowing complexity within DNA?

But there are things that science (if we must use the word) can produce now that it couldn't in the past, for example cells. So this doesn't seem like a convincing argument.

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Assuming future success isn't acheivement. And science is a billion miles from producing DNA, yet you still want there to be no programmer for the incredibly mind blowing complexity within DNA?

Grasping a bit here aren't you? Where did I say that, or anything close to it?

[Rjk]

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Assuming future success isn't acheivement. And science is a billion miles from producing DNA, yet you still want there to be no programmer for the incredibly mind blowing complexity within DNA?

There being a "programmer" raises a lot more questions than it answers. If you don't understand the processes by which simple naturally occurring chemical reactions have turned into increasingly complex life forms over a huge amount of time then thats fine, but adding an even more complex being at the start of it all is not a very satisfying explanation is it? where did that programmer come from? did they evolve from simpler beings? back to single celled pre-god creatures? or did they just pop into existence as a fully formed, all powerful deity?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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[QUOTE=truthpaste;5239300]I see, so it's us that leave our brain at the door? Yet it's you who:

1. Still can't distinguish religion from repentance and knowing Christ as Lord.
I have not mentioned 'repentance and knowing Christ as Lord' so I hardly had to distinguish between those concepts and religion. Your comment is highly illogical and rather ridiculous.

2. Thinks all life, including the complex programmes coded into DNA arose by accident. You have about 10 trillion cells in your body, so if you stretched the DNA in all the cells out, end to end, they'd stretch to 744 million miles.
both your religion and your God are mythical.
I didn't actually say that things arose by accident but let's park that for now. Your argument seems to be that because something is complex it has to have been designed by a deity. Very poor intellectal argument, it has to be said.

3. Ignores the complexity of life, the human eye is about an inch across has 2 million working parts, and more than 1 million nerve fibers connected to the brain - and 21st Century SCIENCE is NOT able to reconstruct those connections.
In this thread I have referred to scientific knowledge that we have these days which teach us the most amazing and complex things about life around us (and, ironically, things that the people in the Middle East had no understanding of thousands of years ago). You really don't need to assign comments to me that I didn't make. And your comment about '21st Century SCIENCE' not being able to create things is strange on several levels. It's not science that creates things in the first place. Science (i.e. knowledge that we obtain of the natural world) is what just allowed you to mention some facts about the complexity of the human eye and what assists eye surgeons in carrying out operations -etc so your arguments are a combination of false assumptions, twisted logic and assigning comments to me that I didn't say.

Still, you believe in that talking snake, old fruit.

[UNDERHILL1927]

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I see, so it's us that leave our brain at the door? Yet it's you who:

1. Still can't distinguish religion from repentance and knowing Christ as Lord.

2. Thinks all life, including the complex programmes coded into DNA arose by accident. You have about 10 trillion cells in your body, so if you stretched the DNA in all the cells out, end to end, they'd stretch to 744 million miles.

3. Ignores the complexity of life, the human eye is about an inch across has 2 million working parts, and more than 1 million nerve fibers connected to the brain - and 21st Century SCIENCE is NOT able to reconstruct those connections.

An accident!!! So who is ACTUALLY leaving their brain at the door?

All the wonderful things in the world yet this "loving" God gives kids cancer. What an absolute tool he must be. I forgot, all the bad things are Satan's fault. Tosh

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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All the wonderful things in the world yet this "loving" God gives kids cancer. What an absolute tool he must be. I forgot, all the bad things are Satan's fault. Tosh

Some people might think that mutating genes that lead to cancer are of a complex nature and only something only a deity could design.....

[UNDERHILL1927]

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Some people might think that mutating genes that lead to cancer are of a complex nature and only something only a deity could design.....

Indeed....

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Some people might think that mutating genes that lead to cancer are of a complex nature and only something only a deity could design.....

Cells can't mutate by accident, apparently.

[lisvaneblue]

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Cells can't mutate by accident, apparently.

Really!!...As you are so evidence based perhaps you would elaborate.