Professional footballer declares that he is gay

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Ah christ

I see. so we have to take the words of the song quite literally, but we can be free and easy with what we mean when we're on a football message board.

[gabbsthenewt]

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I see. so we have to take the words of the song quite literally, but we can be free and easy with what we mean when we're on a football message board.

Lost me there ?

[dembethewarrior]

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I wasn't talking to you

You are a lost cause I am afraid

You can say things once, you don't have to repeat yourself tens of times in a thread, no matter who you was talking to.

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Lost me there ?

Adz said that the song was aimed at brown people. I was asking whether only brown people wear turbans.

[lardy]

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Adz said that the song was aimed at brown people. I was asking whether only brown people wear turbans.

No, but the song is aimed at them. And to pre-empt your next smartypants question, no I haven't asked every person who has ever sung it.

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No, but the song is aimed at them. And to pre-empt your next smartypants question, no I haven't asked every person who has ever sung it.

I think we're way past smartypants, we're heading into breakdown territory

[gabbsthenewt]

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*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.

So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.

In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.

As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.

Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break.

I note he's responded to you but I think it may help if I collect his thoughts in quotes into one big super quote which may help you understand his approach to this, maybe you could answer the questions within them :-

I'm not defending anyone or anything.

Do you think football fans believe in everything they sing?

Do you know the intentions of those singing the song? have you spoken to them and asked or are you making assumptions based on what you think may be the case?

For this particular song to have any meaning to you would imply you believe one is lesser than the other. if you don't believe that then its a nonsense song like hey diddle diddle.

and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?

I'm asking why would a hindu get upset about something that has no cultural reference to them as individuals?

I don't think they're random at all. They're picking the English because we're playing an English football team.

(Interjected - But the turban, is random?)

who knows

But for this particular song to have any meaning to you would imply you believe one is lesser than the other. if you don't believe that then its a nonsense song like hey diddle diddle.

if you truly believe all people are equal then why does this song affect you so much?

if he truly believes we are all equal then he must appreciate the song has no meaning

I'll ask again, why would a hindu be upset over a song about a turban?

[dembethewarrior]

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Amazing. You therefore can chant racism but not be racist.

F***ing hell mate.

If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?

[gabbsthenewt]

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Yes giving that race can refer to ethnic and racial groups

[adz-a32]

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I'm not defending anyone or anything.

and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?

If you ask the average person on the street “who wears a turban” then you would find out what people associate turbans with.

So much mental gymnastics. If it was real gymnastics, it would be worse than Callum Paterson’s cartwheel celebration.

[dembethewarrior]

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Yes giving that race can refer to ethnic and racial groups

So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.

Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.

[gabbsthenewt]

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So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.

Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.

You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I think we're way past smartypants, we're heading into breakdown territory

I think that ship sailed several pages ago!

[dembethewarrior]

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You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.

"so saying"

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Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.

Yeah I'd walk away as well if I was you, you and your chum are making a bit of a show of yourselves