Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
What I mean is, in terms of outcomes, bombing other countries, migrant crisis, treatment of refugees at the southern border, isn't the difference pretty limited in terms of outcome, with the difference between Trump and Biden mainly being in rhetoric? I agree, that does matter, but sometimes it seems that what is actually happening matters less than the rhetoric.

Biden does seem somewhat teflon to a lot of it all (as is Boris Johnson of course!)

Out of interest, were you happy to vote for Labour under Corbyn? Not judging, I understand the reasons someone does vote for someone are usually different to the reasons someone else doesn't, I'm just interested.
I voted for Labour, not Corbyn, in 2017 and 2019, the second time not very enthusiastically at all. I've realised in the last few years that I'm more anti tory than pro Labour and I voted the way I did in 2017 because the Cardiff West constituency, while being a pretty safe Labour seat now, went Conservative in 1983 and so, unless Labour was obviously going to win like they were in 2001 and 2005 when I voted for other parties, I was always aware of the possibility the Tories could sneak in. Now I'm living in the Rhondda, my vote doesn't feel as important in terms of Labour v Conservative and so I did the lazy thing in 2019 and stuck with Labour when I probably should have voted Green or Plaid.

Johnson is the only leader of the Conservative party in my voting life (Ted Heath was their leader in the first election I voted in) who I have voted against as an individual above their party - it goes above party politics with him as far as I'm concerned, he's just completely unfit for the job and a nasty, entitled, selfish piece of work as well.