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    Labour Leader They Should Have Had

    Thought Harriet Harman was a top politician.

    She is stepping down after nearly 40 years service


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59560336

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    David Milliband - huge gaffe by choosing the other one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbridge Blue View Post
    David Milliband - huge gaffe by choosing the other one
    Not really. Chose money over politics now earning huge sums for a USA charity. Labour simply can't pick the right leader preferring to argue amongst themselves than choosing a leader that is electable. Harriet Harman could have been a good choice as would Rachel Reeves but instead they chose Starmer who is not much better than the clown Johnson. If the left had their own way they would choose Angela Rayner who would be as unelectable as Corbyn. There is no hope for potential Labour voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Not really. Chose money over politics now earning huge sums for a USA charity. Labour simply can't pick the right leader preferring to argue amongst themselves than choosing a leader that is electable. Harriet Harman could have been a good choice as would Rachel Reeves but instead they chose Starmer who is not much better than the clown Johnson. If the left had their own way they would choose Angela Rayner who would be as unelectable as Corbyn. There is no hope for potential Labour voters.
    It's simple, all they need to do is put a Tory in charge and say that he or she are moderate.

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    I always thought Hilary Benn had a good shout of being the party leader

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    I'm sure if Dai Milliband had become leader we would now be saying they elected the wrong Milliband brother too, although I have to say I preferred him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Not really. Chose money over politics now earning huge sums for a USA charity. Labour simply can't pick the right leader preferring to argue amongst themselves than choosing a leader that is electable. Harriet Harman could have been a good choice as would Rachel Reeves but instead they chose Starmer who is not much better than the clown Johnson. If the left had their own way they would choose Angela Rayner who would be as unelectable as Corbyn. There is no hope for potential Labour voters.
    Starmer isn't much better than....Johnson? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welshcake. View Post
    Starmer isn't much better than....Johnson? Really?
    I'd just say that Starmer is no opposition. As well as being Tory Lite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    It's simple, all they need to do is put a Tory in charge and say that he or she are moderate.
    That's exactly how Tony Blair got into Downing Street.

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    Re: Labour Leader They Should Have Had

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    I always thought Hilary Benn had a good shout of being the party leader

    Nice man who fell out with Corbyn .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Nice man who fell out with Corbyn .
    Hilary Benn is a weasel

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    Labour is dead in the water

    Starmer has no charisma and no bollocks

    The loss of so many seats in Scotland to the SNP was a fatal blow to Labours chance of getting a majority and traditional Labour seats in the North turning tory was a fecking pantomime

    How any Labour voter can think that the party in its current state is going to win those back is beyond me

    I think the Tories are laughing their heads off as they have a complete shower of clowns in charge

    Rachel Reeves would make a good leader and there are other candidates but I think Labour has had its day

    If we say that more people don't vote Labour than do ......and that's about right ...then I think it's time for Labour and the liberals to chuck in the towel and form a new party for 2021 as an alternative to the Tories

    Because that gives people who are not Tories to have a chance of some sort of Liberal or Socialist policies in among middle ground politics

    If this doesn't happen then the left and Liberal and centre will be waiting till hell freezes over to get rid of what we have .

    I have seen one non tory government since I have been able to vote .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tforturton View Post
    That's exactly how Tony Blair got into Downing Street.
    Blair hit the ground running

    Then he invaded Iraq and his arse fell off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Hilary Benn is a weasel
    To be fair so was his old man

    Loved to talk from the sidelines , slagged off Kinnock who was not perfect but was leader

    Benn just sat on his arse , wrote books and said what a great job he would have done

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    To be fair so was his old man

    Loved to talk from the sidelines , slagged off Kinnock who was not perfect but was leader

    Benn just sat on his arse , wrote books and said what a great job he would have done
    Tony Benn was the original champagne socialist.

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    Labour should have a leader for each of their factions (how about Burgon for the left and Mandelson for the right?) to allow them to get on with what they seem to think is their primary function - tearing themselves apart while allowing the Conservative party to do as they please. They are letting down not only existing Labour voters, but also those in England and Waleswho believe that any Government should have an effective opposition to hold it to account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tforturton View Post
    Tony Benn was the original champagne socialist.
    Corbyn , Benn , Abbott , completely inept

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Labour should have a leader for each of their factions (how about Burgon for the left and Mandelson for the right?) to allow them to get on with what they seem to think is their primary function - tearing themselves apart while allowing the Conservative party to do as they please. They are letting down not only existing Labour voters, but also those in England and Waleswho believe that any Government should have an effective opposition to hold it to account.
    Absolutely, its embarrassing stuff

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    Sludge makes a very good point about Labour in Scotland. It's a big loss of what would be perhaps 30-40 seats each election.

    I've voted Labour generally but I will change my vote and I live in a seat that flips Labour / Tory so tbh I am the kind of person who winning parties need to attract.

    For me to go back to Labour they need to do a few things.

    1 / Get a competent leader. They now have this. He's not exciting but he's sensible, moderate, realistic etc

    2 / Move on from Brexit. Honestly, Labour flirting with a second referendum genuinely repulsed me. I thought it absolutely disgusting. How dare they try to overturn what the people (and the overwhelming majority of poorer people) voted for. They have to accept it, talk about the future and what they will do with new powers.

    3 / linked to the above, they need to respect voters more. A lot of Labour activists on social media really do not come across well at all. Very rude and disrespectful. It puts people off. When Angela Rayner calls people scum, in my opinion she called me scum for voting Tory in 2019. That didn't win me round. If she said that in an election campaign, that alone would lose them my vote.

    4 / stop be so fkn woke. Just reign it in. Most of it is divisive bollocks that doesn't improve many lives. Stick to solid policies that will improve working people's lives. It really does come across that a lot of Labour types don't like this country much. It's always very negative and I get tired of it. Millions do.

    5 / Show some economic competence. This is rapidly improving from the Corbyn etc but still needs some work. I get a lot of it is the yah boo of party politics but when they just ask for more funding for thigns that simply isn't viable. I want to know how they will find things properly.

    Personally I think Andy Burnham is absolutely fantastic. Lisa Nandy is alright. Cooper, Benn, Starmer, Milliband, all competent. They need someone patriotic, respectful, not into identify politics and moderate though. Starmer is probably as close as it gets

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Sludge makes a very good point about Labour in Scotland. It's a big loss of what would be perhaps 30-40 seats each election.

    I've voted Labour generally but I will change my vote and I live in a seat that flips Labour / Tory so tbh I am the kind of person who winning parties need to attract.

    For me to go back to Labour they need to do a few things.

    1 / Get a competent leader. They now have this. He's not exciting but he's sensible, moderate, realistic etc

    2 / Move on from Brexit. Honestly, Labour flirting with a second referendum genuinely repulsed me. I thought it absolutely disgusting. How dare they try to overturn what the people (and the overwhelming majority of poorer people) voted for. They have to accept it, talk about the future and what they will do with new powers.

    3 / linked to the above, they need to respect voters more. A lot of Labour activists on social media really do not come across well at all. Very rude and disrespectful. It puts people off. When Angela Rayner calls people scum, in my opinion she called me scum for voting Tory in 2019. That didn't win me round. If she said that in an election campaign, that alone would lose them my vote.

    4 / stop be so fkn woke. Just reign it in. Most of it is divisive bollocks that doesn't improve many lives. Stick to solid policies that will improve working people's lives. It really does come across that a lot of Labour types don't like this country much. It's always very negative and I get tired of it. Millions do.

    5 / Show some economic competence. This is rapidly improving from the Corbyn etc but still needs some work. I get a lot of it is the yah boo of party politics but when they just ask for more funding for thigns that simply isn't viable. I want to know how they will find things properly.

    Personally I think Andy Burnham is absolutely fantastic. Lisa Nandy is alright. Cooper, Benn, Starmer, Milliband, all competent. They need someone patriotic, respectful, not into identify politics and moderate though. Starmer is probably as close as it gets
    They are all old faces , get them out of the way

    Burnham is a good guy but even if he was in charge I still think the mountain is too high

    Time for a new party

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Corbyn , Benn , Abbott , completely inept
    PLEASE don't mention Abbot in a thread about potential Labour leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    They are all old faces , get them out of the way

    Burnham is a good guy but even if he was in charge I still think the mountain is too high

    Time for a new party
    What kind of new party? Wokey, middle class, guardian, £3.85 coffees, yellow EU stars on Facebook profile pics?

    Or

    Wetherspoons, factory workers, tabloid, less PC, more working class?

    Hard for Labour to have both

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    What kind of new party? Wokey, middle class, guardian, £3.85 coffees, yellow EU stars on Facebook profile pics?

    Or

    Wetherspoons, factory workers, tabloid, less PC, more working class?

    Hard for Labour to have both
    The party is called

    Abolish the whole thing , merge with the liberals and other interested groups , stop splitting the anti tory vote

    Get a leader like paddy ashdown in charge but tell him to keep his hands off the secretary

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Sludge makes a very good point about Labour in Scotland. It's a big loss of what would be perhaps 30-40 seats each election.

    I've voted Labour generally but I will change my vote and I live in a seat that flips Labour / Tory so tbh I am the kind of person who winning parties need to attract.

    For me to go back to Labour they need to do a few things.

    1 / Get a competent leader. They now have this. He's not exciting but he's sensible, moderate, realistic etc

    2 / Move on from Brexit. Honestly, Labour flirting with a second referendum genuinely repulsed me. I thought it absolutely disgusting. How dare they try to overturn what the people (and the overwhelming majority of poorer people) voted for. They have to accept it, talk about the future and what they will do with new powers.

    3 / linked to the above, they need to respect voters more. A lot of Labour activists on social media really do not come across well at all. Very rude and disrespectful. It puts people off. When Angela Rayner calls people scum, in my opinion she called me scum for voting Tory in 2019. That didn't win me round. If she said that in an election campaign, that alone would lose them my vote.

    4 / stop be so fkn woke. Just reign it in. Most of it is divisive bollocks that doesn't improve many lives. Stick to solid policies that will improve working people's lives. It really does come across that a lot of Labour types don't like this country much. It's always very negative and I get tired of it. Millions do.

    5 / Show some economic competence. This is rapidly improving from the Corbyn etc but still needs some work. I get a lot of it is the yah boo of party politics but when they just ask for more funding for thigns that simply isn't viable. I want to know how they will find things properly.

    Personally I think Andy Burnham is absolutely fantastic. Lisa Nandy is alright. Cooper, Benn, Starmer, Milliband, all competent. They need someone patriotic, respectful, not into identify politics and moderate though. Starmer is probably as close as it gets
    Right, we know the standards you expect from Labour before you vote for them, I’d be fascinated to know if you have any you expect from the current governing party (especially in light of the news which broke last night) before they get your support?

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    'Kill migrants to appeal to the working classes'

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