Christ someone is taking a kicking here 😳
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Christ someone is taking a kicking here 😳
I think the actual problem is the political landscape has shifted so much that “facts” have somehow become left wing.
And that’s how this board reacts to any factually accurate criticisms of this government.
The same way anything that isn’t completely cuntish has become “politically correct”.
let me explain, whilst people were discussing the article ( 1st quote ) on the guardian site ( posted by TOBW )
JamesWales made a remark about the author being a left-wing activist
hope you are following so far
you then made your remark saying it " Pathetic how everything people don’t agree with now has been reduced to “lefty” "
now people have been rubbishish newspapers / press articles on here for years, we have all seen a number of times " Oh its the daily mail , that is a right wing paper " ( it might be, but thats not the issue here ) so when people see a article they do not agree with, its the normal response to brush it away because its not from the source they agree with ( be it left or right ) which is what you called foul here with JamesWales calling the article from the " left " yet for years you have been doing exactly the same with articles from the " right " , seems you want it only your way
It should be mentioned at this point that there used to be figures published showing which national newspapers printed stories that were total fiction, were total lies and did so knowing the stories were bollocks. The Mail, Sun and Express were always way out in front of these lists. The Grauniad was always towards the bottom.
The article also fails to point out that the UK is in front of Spain, France, Portugal, Sweden and miles in front of Germany and the Netherlands in a total Covid deaths per million comparison;-
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
I’d say that gives a far better perspective than your deaths figure for one week. Does the fact that the writer of the article makes no mention of our relatively poor showing compared to most of the bigger Western European countries make him a UK Government stooge I wonder? Using the logic you employ to discredit the piece, I rather think it does, but as you’re only intent on defending the UK Government (as you always do despite your self proclaimed political balance), I don’t suppose that bothers you too much.
Also, isn’t the Daily Mail defined as an unreliable source by Wikipedia? By the way, I read the Daily Mail in much the same way as you read the Guardian. I often look at it to see what the “other side” is saying and then nine times out of ten dismiss it - the difference between us is that I readily acknowledge what I am (a “lefty” and happy to be one), whereas you harbour this delusion that you come at things n a balanced way when anyone reading your contributions to this thread (and plenty of others) can see that you don’t.
Is he a left wing activist? James Wales says he is and so some people assume he is. Maybe he is, I don’t know, but, having looked at his Twitter page, it struck me that he was just someone who was critical of Johnson and his Government - there’s an awful lot of them about these days.
Newspapers aside the UK gov data supports some of what TOBW says. But of the home nations, since the start of the pandemic, per capita Wales has the highest incidence, the highest number of deaths as reported as Covid-19 on the death certificate, and highest number of patients admitted to hospital.
All this despite more rigorous restrictions in Wales than the other home nations. So if Worldometers show UK in a bad light compared to many parts of Europe, then what about Wales and our Sendedd...keeping Wales safe!!
I'd completely agree. For someone who comes on here and argues that fact is so much more important than opinion, posting a week's COVID data (in the same way as he selectively posts trade data) implies that he thinks the rest of us are a bit stupid.
Wind-up merchant, surely?
Yea ok
it just so happens whilst people were discussing the article on the guardian site ( posted by TOBW )
JamesWales made the remark about the author being a left-wing activist, you just happened to post " Pathetic how everything people don’t agree with now has been reduced to “lefty” "
That’s right matt yes because it had been going on for 30 pages.
Show us an example of where someone has wrongly said an article is a load of shit when it’s been in the mail or written by a right leaning journalist.
Because as far as I can see they’re usually right to call it out. Whereas James has just invented that this guy is a “far leftie” out of nowhere.
People call out the mail because it is absolute rot, maybe the fact you read it and agree with it is why you vote Tory and for brexit despite still not being able to point out any positives of it.
The problem isn’t people calling out “right” and “left” the problem is you can’t understand why people don’t trust certain publications. Despite it being common accepted knowledge as to why.
I posted the data on percentage of the population with a booster vaccine (UK is 2nd in Europe) and the number of deaths per capita for the last week (we are 31st).
If you are interested in facts over opinion then you would respect this information.
However, since you ask, I have looked at the covid deaths per capita for the last month too. UK is 30th in Europe on that
Any rational person who favours factual evidence would take from this that perhaps, just maybe, the UK government is doing better than some of you think.
But hey, insult me all you like. If you want to live in a fantasy land because you are still crying over spilt brexit that's up to you.