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Some of the best comedies and satire have been produced by US writers and animators over the last few decades. Obviously, SP but The Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, and I've just started a thread on Archer. It's a medium that is perfect for handling satirical subjects and calling out hypocrisy.
Litman doesn't like cancel culture unless she's doing it.
How is that new? Isn’t that just protesting and boycotting? The people are the arbitrators of that aren’t they?
I’m sure it’s not always in the right spirit but Is this really happening that often? Often enough for you to get up in a huff about it or are the media spinning the odd time of this happening and using it to make their middle age readership angry over nothing?
Your examples of Cancel culture were Jim Davidson, chubby brown and Louis ck.
What else am I asking Louis ck about?
Have you been to university? It’s about 0.01% of the whole student base involved in these groups protesting. ****ing busy bodies who go into student politics then real politics. People need some perspective, it’s “political correctness gone mad” all over again ffs.
What do you mean already a preconceived right or wrong? How does this suggest it?
Anyway there are plenty of jokes that “punch down” they’re just a lot harder to execute without looking like a smug twat so punching up is usually used a lot more as it’s often more entertaining.
It’s much easier to get a laugh about the Queen or the President than someone who’s living on the breadline.
I think as with so many things in the last few years, the fault line has been brexit, and there's been so many jokes, from generally wealthier remain voters (comedians, media types etc) aimed at generally poorer brexit voters (the poor overwhelmingly voted leave) labelling them racist, stupid, gullible etc without any attempt to understand things. That has been the greatest mass example of 'punching down' and snobbery I've witnessed in my lifetime. I think it's the double standards really.
This addresses some of it - references Ian Dunt, althouth for me the worse example, the very epitome of smug is James O Brien.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...oted-remain-eu
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-racist-stupid
Anywaaaay. I very much advocate a position where we can all make fun of but also respect and try and understand all positions and sharing and experiencing different cultures and jokes is key to that.
And trumping that..
Stewart Lee, whom I used to really like, and still do like his style. Can you match this smug ignorance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMvwNkPgwgg
This probably helped his career, yet others are chastised for far worse, and I think that's what grates really, the cutural norms are reflective of a broadly elitist position.
I absolutely knew that would be the response! It's a fact, most people on lower socio economic status or earnings voted leave. Yet jokes like this were fine and lapped up and did no damage to his career it seems. No calls to be cancelled...and that's right! That's how it should be!
Imagine the furore if the joke was aimed at some of the groups who typically try to cause the cancelling / ending of careers?
I only mention this as an example of punching down which was deemed fine in this case.
Is this the same prevailing elite who have been in government for the last decade and own the vast majority of the press or are we talking about the imaginary one again ?
This reads an awful lot like 'if I said my offensive thoughts out loud someone may call me out on it'. There was a time when keeping your horrible little thoughts to yourself in wider company was just called being polite. For all the talk of 'snowflakes' and 'karens' the poor oppressed rightwing are rather prone to screaming they've been 'cancelled' in every paper and TV show available if someone on twitter dares points out they've said something offensive.
Good work Croesy for talking sense in this thread!
Louis CK was one of the biggest if not the biggest at the time. He was still economically viable. Still is and still sells out shows. He still has been blacklisted from most of most of the services like Netflix.
Economically viable, but cancelled.
That was in direct response to your point - whenever a counter narrative is shown you go onto a different topic than dealing with the reply.
House of cards. Cancelled off TV. If Chapelle wasn't so big they would have never have shown that special.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be cancelled or it's wrong to do what they're doing but you can't deny it isn't real.
As far as I am concerned cancel culture , snowflakes , woke this , woke that , all lives matter is the language of people represented by Katy Hopkins
Complete Kents basically
I mean if someone isn't offended by different cultures , sexualities etc then why whinge and moan about it ?
I am with Stewart Lee
In the past right wing comedians were represented by Jim Davidson
Now they have degrees and worked in the city
Still Kents though
I see that depressingly this seems to have turned into a Right v Left issue again.
Forgetting that majority which lie in the centre.
Cancel culture is a far more complex issue than just left v right.
Or just saying " well this sort of thing has always happened look at Mary Whitehouse or the BBC banning records" without recognising the game changer which is the internet.
Especially bloody twitter. Which is an excellent idea in theory , but has turned into a complete can of worms.