Drakeford pulled no punches then

[19bluebirds27]

Question was “why is Wales not following england”

Drakeford.
They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.

[Dorcus]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

Question was “why is Wales not following england”

Drakeford.
They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.

I like him, he says it as it is; no bullshit.

[life on mars]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

Or we need to do something different and we can always blame another government body , if business go bust, we have large unemployment , poverty and mental illness in years to come , we can blame Westminster .

Population of Wales in 2021 is estimated to be 3.17 million

The breakdown of Omicron cases by health board :



Cardiff and Vale University Health Board 102 (+31)
Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board 67 (+24)
Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board 86 (+34)
Aneurin Bevan University Health Board 58 (+17)
Swansea Bay University Health Board 84 (+36)
Hywel Dda University Health Board 22 (+14)
Powys Teaching Health Board 16 (+7)

Total 435 (+163)

[lisvaneblue]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

I like him, he says it as it is; no bullshit.

All bullshit

[JamesWales]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

Question was “why is Wales not following england”

Drakeford.
They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.

No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.

I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.

[caerkid]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

The breakdown of Omicron cases by health board :
Cardiff and Vale University Health Board 102 (+31)
Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board 67 (+24)
Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board 86 (+34)
Aneurin Bevan University Health Board 58 (+17)
Swansea Bay University Health Board 84 (+36)
Hywel Dda University Health Board 22 (+14)
Powys Teaching Health Board 16 (+7)

Total 435 (+163)

Those look like the figures from 20th December based on this :

https://phw.nhs.wales/news/public-health-wales-statement-on-cases-of-omicron-variant-of-coronavirus-in-wales/

To be fair those figures had only gone up by close to 1600% by the update of the 29th (7,369)

[life on mars]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

Covid Hospitalisation Dec 21 v Dec 20 :

2020 1,600
2021 600

[Rjk]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

Covid Hospitalisation Dec 21 v Dec 20 :

2020 1,600
2021 600

how many would you like it to be?

[Trigger]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

What happens is he and Sturgeon have a chat, decide what to do, usually should be different to England somehow and then that's what happens.

All in my opinion, I'm not privy to any such conversations although I'm sure they are exciting.

Drakeford and Welsh Labour only got covid passes through because one AM didn't bother to vote. Passes which a month or so later were to be considered worthless at outdoor events.

All leaders have been chancers during this time, I'm not convinced any know what they are doing or the route out of it.

What have they done to support the NHS during the summer to prepare.

Drakeford and co shutting things down and restricting things isn't the answer, it's just another side of Boris' coin of hoping it blows over.

[life on mars]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

Lets see what the man of principle does before the first Welsh 6 nations games lots of votes there , as per the Autumn internationals that were allowed to go ahead . ???

[delmbox]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.

I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.

He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?

Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.

24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?

Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.

24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest

I agree and I 'like' him too even though I don't agree with his decisions particularly on COVID

He seems to answer questions directly whether you agree with the answers or not, where I'm fed up with Boris's bluster even though I wanted him as PM

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.

I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.

That seems such an immature way to look at it. I'd be amazed if they only make decisions to be contrary to England.

It's often been the case that England has followed Wales and Scotland juts a few weeks later.

[JamesWales]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?

Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.

24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest

It's a fair point on the 'political paralysis' but nonetheless it's an attack, whereas he could just say that England are doing what they think is best and we are doing what we think is best. He politicised the answer...although I suppose thats what politicians do, but it just feels like constant points scoring and I genuinely dont think that comes from England as much, although they certainly should be criticised in other respects.

I am not privy to all current restrictions across Europe but I don't think Englands approach is particularly an outlier. The restrictions are less severe than many countries I am sure, but I dont think they are alone, and there are numerous restrictions in place even if it is more liberal than Wales.

[Dave Blue]

Re: Drakeford pulled no punches then

No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.

I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.

And the Dutch, French, Australians etc are also demonstrating that they are different to England or are they acting in the interests of their country and citizens?

Just remember, up to this point every postponement has been down to COVID, hospital waits are down to pressure from COVID and staff shortages in a whole range of public and private businesses are down to COVID, not due to some deranged decision from a leader determined to be ‘different’.