IF Drakeford says...

[J R Hartley]

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So anyone who disagrees with the policy choices taken in Wales concerning Covid is automatically a Tory? You can support a Labour government and still criticise its policy choices. In fact I'd say its essential to ensure politicians are held to account. Every election in Wales for the past 20 years has shown there's no appetite for a Tory government in in the Senedd. It's also disrespectful to supporters of the other alternative political parties like Plaid and Lib Dems, both progressive parties who can provide an alternative to the status quo in Wales.

Also, I think you need to step away from social media and broaden your social and professional circles if you genuinely think "nobody under 40 expects anything good to happen ever again". It's too easy for millennials to blame others for their own failings and poor life choices.

Indeed. Politics has become very tribal. Like you can’t criticise the side you support and never give credit to the opposition.

The notion that if you criticise Drakeford you must be a Tory is utterly absurd.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I also despise this notion. I’ve never voted Tory in my life and never will. I voted Labour in the last election. But I cannot stand Drakeford and I believe many of the additional restrictions we’ve faced here in Wales, both recently and throughout the pandemic, have been unnecessary and occasionally utterly ridiculous.

Yes, I'm of a similar view. I do understand the anger though even if it's not helpful to blanket entire generations and create generational divisions. I'm really depressed about environmental apathy and climate change denial but some of the most prominent and influential scientists who've been working on these issues for the last 3 decades are 60+.

[J R Hartley]

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Yes, I'm of a similar view. I do understand the anger though even if it's not helpful to blanket entire generations and create generational divisions. I'm really depressed about environmental apathy and climate change denial but some of the most prominent and influential scientists who've been working on these issues for the last 3 decades are 60+.

Yep, drawing battle lines on entire generations based on age is not helpful to the cause.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Yep, drawing battle lines on entire generations based on age is not helpful to the cause.

I’m a 54 year-old Labour voter (last time around at least) who firmly believes that Welsh Labour would benefit greatly from having a much younger, significantly more charismatic leader than 67 year-old Mark Drakeford.

[chrisp_1927]

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Yes, I'm of a similar view. I do understand the anger though even if it's not helpful to blanket entire generations and create generational divisions. I'm really depressed about environmental apathy and climate change denial but some of the most prominent and influential scientists who've been working on these issues for the last 3 decades are 60+.

Very true! After looking at the state of the reading festival site this year. II find it hard to believe that a vast majority of the younger generation are all eco warriors. Good and bad in all generations .

[Croesy Blue]

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I’m as much of a biased lefty as can be but the restrictions that were bought in weren’t ridiculous. They were half arsed enough to not make a difference while being full on enough to be a detriment to so many industries with no support.

I think one of the major problems of the pandemic has been not enough joined up thinking between Scotland, wales and England. Sometimes it seemed for the sake of it just to show they had the power to do it.

I’m all for being cautious but 2 years in and with positive data coming out of South Africa and Denmark surely eventually you just have to keep society going to a degree where you aren’t ****ing up everyone’s livelihoods?

[Croesy Blue]

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Very true! After looking at the state of the reading festival site this year. II find it hard to believe that a vast majority of the younger generation are all eco warriors. Good and bad in all generations .

You can’t equate a bunch of drunk hungover kids leaving a mess to being against climate change etc ffs

[Mario Miethig]

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I also despise this notion. I’ve never voted Tory in my life and never will. I voted Labour in the last election. But I cannot stand Drakeford and I believe many of the additional restrictions we’ve faced here in Wales, both recently and throughout the pandemic, have been unnecessary and occasionally utterly ridiculous.

I’m the same. Nearly every election since I was 18 I’ve voted Labour. I actually despise Drakeford and because of him I voted Plaid at the last assembly elections, even though I’m not a Nationalist.

[J R Hartley]

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I’m a 54 year-old Labour voter (last time around at least) who firmly believes that Welsh Labour would benefit greatly from having a much younger, significantly more charismatic leader than 67 year-old Mark Drakeford.

Yep, agree 100%. The whole Labour Party needs a overhaul not just Welsh Labour. The fact Labour have made very little ground against this shit show of a corrupt Tory government, the far worst government in our lifetime, is so depressing.

I’ve always voted Labour except for last election voted Plaid Cymru. I also voted Plaid in the Senedd elections as I cannot stand the Labour AM in Merthyr - Dawn Bowden - a self serving, career politician from Bristol.

Bizarrely, because I’ve been critical of Drakeford in this thread I’m being made out to be a well off Tory nationalist boomer who has pulled the ladder up for future generations.

Plus I’m only 45 I don’t even think that qualifies for the Boomer generation does it?

[TWGL1]

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I’m a 54 year-old Labour voter (last time around at least) who firmly believes that Welsh Labour would benefit greatly from having a much younger, significantly more charismatic leader than 67 year-old Mark Drakeford.

This is spot on .

[chrisp_1927]

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You can’t equate a bunch of drunk hungover kids leaving a mess to being against climate change etc ffs

The original poster was trying to say that the older generation don't give a toss about the world around us. The Reading festival analogy is a small visual illustration. The amount of plastic waste, and 'disposable culture' that it represents is hardly in line with eco principles. My point was simple , that in all generations there are people who do give a toss, and those who don't.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Yep, agree 100%. The whole Labour Party needs a overhaul not just Welsh Labour. The fact Labour have made very little ground against this shit show of a corrupt Tory government, the far worst government in our lifetime, is so depressing.

I’ve always voted Labour except for last election voted Plaid Cymru. I also voted Plaid in the Senedd elections as I cannot stand the Labour AM in Merthyr - Dawn Bowden - a self serving, career politician from Bristol.

Bizarrely, because I’ve been critical of Drakeford in this thread I’m being made out to be a well off Tory nationalist boomer who has pulled the ladder up for future generations.

That's identical to me, and I was a member of the Labour Party at the time!

[MOZZER2]

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reports coming out of westminster this morning COVID passes will be scrapped along with Work From Home to be stopped at the end of the month too but will still require to wear a face mask on trains and in shops whilst Mr Drakeford is now adding a booster to get a COVID pass here in Wales

Follow the science

[dml1954]

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It's so so typical someone like you would say 'PoOr LiFe ChOicEs' while completely ignoring huge systemiatic issue that the elderly repeatedly vote for, Brexit is just one example. Justify why it should be so much harder for young people to get on the property ladder than it was 40 years ago - https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-average-wages

Tell me how things are getting better in the UK, give me anything. The economy is ****ed, the climate is ****ed and we are just waiting for the boomers to die off to try and fix the mess you've created.

We're the most educated generation in history yet we have to work far far harder to get the same as the boomers. If you don't have wealthy parents nowadays you're pretty much ****ed.

Before you say 'YoUrE jUsT JeAloUs' I made about £40k on the stock market last year and I'll have paid off my house in about 10 years, I'm not speaking for me I'm speaking for those my age who have done everything right, who have worked hard, who have got a skill but are still getting screwed by the system.

What a bitter and twisted attitude you have towards your fellow human beings in the UK and particularly your elders, who have just as much right to a life and opinion as you do. I am surprised that you are able to get yourself up in the morning. It is the politics of envy, no matter how much you try to deny it. And by the way, if it wasn't for the ‘couldn't give a shit’ attitude of many people under 40, we wouldn't still be sitting in the middle of a pandemic and many thousand less deaths would have occurred, mainly in the older population, who you obviously despise so much.

[Doucas]

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What a bitter and twisted attitude you have towards your fellow human beings in the UK and particularly your elders, who have just as much right to a life and opinion as you do. I am surprised that you are able to get yourself up in the morning. It is the politics of envy, no matter how much you try to deny it. And by the way, if it wasn't for the ‘couldn't give a shit’ attitude of many people under 40, we wouldn't still be sitting in the middle of a pandemic and many thousand less deaths would have occurred, mainly in the older population, who you obviously despise so much.

Where have I said they don't have a right to an opinion? I'm criticising their/your opinion that you've constantly voted to make lives worse for the generations that come after you.

And those under 40 who broke lockdown rules are pricks of the highest order, but let's not forget that anti vaxxers skew heavily with age mind.

Notice that none of you are answering any of my questions.