Outrage as stunning My City My Shirt mural is painted over

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Outrage as stunning My City My Shirt mural is painted over

McDonalds is a franchise business.

So if you work in a McDonalds and you see something in your area which threatens to reflect badly on the company being mooted or happening, you have nowhere to go to make your concerns known?

[lisvaneblue]

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So if you work in a McDonalds and you see something in your area which threatens to reflect badly on the company being mooted or happening, you have nowhere to go to make your concerns known?

Of course that's not so and the proof is that once they knew Macs did something about it.

From press reports Yusuf, the artist, was given the space for six months for a nominal fee from the ad agency that owns the advertising rights to the wall. They then extended because of lack of demand for the space due to Covid.
Macs then took the space and I've no doubt knew nothing about the sensitivity of the artwork.
The advertising agency owns the space not Macs. Additionally even though Macs are now paying to have it replaced they had only leased the wall for three weeks and after that the agency has leased it to someone else.
So it could be that it will be wiped again after that time.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Of course that's not so and the proof is that once they knew Macs did something about it.

From press reports Yusuf, the artist, was given the space for six months for a nominal fee from the ad agency that owns the advertising rights to the wall. They then extended because of lack of demand for the space due to Covid.
Macs then took the space and I've no doubt knew nothing about the sensitivity of the artwork.
The advertising agency owns the space not Macs. Additionally even though Macs are now paying to have it replaced they had only leased the wall for three weeks and after that the agency has leased it to someone else.
So it could be that it will be wiped again after that time.

It takes more energy to post on here than it does to contact the club, council, lottery fund, supporters trust, etc. asking them to support this and come to an arrangement with the owners of the 'advertising space'.

We're supposed to be all on the same side so let's show some solidarity and fire off a load of emails (costs f*ck all to do)
to try and make this an iconic piece of Cardiff. Or don't. But what's the point of sniping on here when something more constructive can be done?

Over and out on this.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Of course that's not so and the proof is that once they knew Macs did something about it.

From press reports Yusuf, the artist, was given the space for six months for a nominal fee from the ad agency that owns the advertising rights to the wall. They then extended because of lack of demand for the space due to Covid.
Macs then took the space and I've no doubt knew nothing about the sensitivity of the artwork.
The advertising agency owns the space not Macs. Additionally even though Macs are now paying to have it replaced they had only leased the wall for three weeks and after that the agency has leased it to someone else.
So it could be that it will be wiped again after that time.

I think it's fair that corporate McDonalds would be sensitive to adverse public opinion and their PR department would move swiftly to rectify things which seems to have happened here.

One small anecdote in support of this.

A friend of mine works for an agricultural consultancy. They were commissioned by Mcdonalds to undertake a study of the potential for increasing palm oil extraction in Indonesia. He was given one simple warning though "Do not f*ck with the orang-utang". That is is any of your recommendations or analysis looks like threatening the orang-utangs habitat you are toast as we will not tolerate the adverse publicity.

[WJ99mobile]

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It takes more energy to post on here than it does to contact the club, council, lottery fund, supporters trust, etc. asking them to support this and come to an arrangement with the owners of the 'advertising space'.

We're supposed to be all on the same side so let's show some solidarity and fire off a load of emails (costs f*ck all to do)
to try and make this an iconic piece of Cardiff. Or don't. But what's the point of sniping on here when something more constructive can be done?

Over and out on this.

If the club have already distanced themselves from this mural, I don't see a long term future for this.

Council won't get involved, neither will the lottery (IMO)

[Citizen's Nephew]

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If the club have already distanced themselves from this mural, I don't see a long term future for this.

Council won't get involved, neither will the lottery (IMO)

Says the defeatist.

[JamesWales]

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Honestly, I think too much is being made of this now. The artist will have been commissioned to do it. Street art is rarely permanent (to some extent thats its strength) and McDonald's clearly wouldnt have done it in knowledge of the site or what was currently there.

Local MPs kicked up a fuss, McDonald's will pay for its replacement, the artist will get some publicity and the mural is now probably there to stay.

The only loser is probably Mischiefs who have lost a source of revenue, although the site in front of the mural is due for redevelopment anyway so it won't last for that reason.

All's well that ends well

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Outrage as stunning My City My Shirt mural is painted over

I think it's fair that corporate McDonalds would be sensitive to adverse public opinion and their PR department would move swiftly to rectify things which seems to have happened here.

One small anecdote in support of this.

A friend of mine works for an agricultural consultancy. They were commissioned by Mcdonalds to undertake a study of the potential for increasing palm oil extraction in Indonesia. He was given one simple warning though "Do not f*ck with the orang-utang". That is is any of your recommendations or analysis looks like threatening the orang-utangs habitat you are toast as we will not tolerate the adverse publicity.

McDonald's in hours already sorted the PR issue.

They are a very careful company and very good. Some of this new age social media marketing with crap meme's and unfunny/off colour jokes are absolutely turd.

[lisvaneblue]

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Honestly, I think too much is being made of this now. The artist will have been commissioned to do it. Street art is rarely permanent (to some extent thats its strength) and McDonald's clearly wouldnt have done it in knowledge of the site or what was currently there.

Local MPs kicked up a fuss, McDonald's will pay for its replacement, the artist will get some publicity and the mural is now probably there to stay.

The only loser is probably Mischiefs who have lost a source of revenue, although the site in front of the mural is due for redevelopment anyway so it won't last for that reason.

All's well that ends well

The sad thing is that Unify and the artist Yusuf knew that the work would only be there for around 6 months, yet they are the one's making a fuss and letting Macs take the stick.

I don't think CCFC or the supporters organisations should get involved. It's potentially a political hot potato

[the other bob wilson]

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Of course that's not so and the proof is that once they knew Macs did something about it.

From press reports Yusuf, the artist, was given the space for six months for a nominal fee from the ad agency that owns the advertising rights to the wall. They then extended because of lack of demand for the space due to Covid.
Macs then took the space and I've no doubt knew nothing about the sensitivity of the artwork.
The advertising agency owns the space not Macs. Additionally even though Macs are now paying to have it replaced they had only leased the wall for three weeks and after that the agency has leased it to someone else.
So it could be that it will be wiped again after that time.

So what happens then if you work in McDonalds and you think something like this should be nipped in the bud because it's potentially damaging to the company??

How much would it cost to buy, not rent, the advertising space, because I would be willing to make a contribution towards keeping it for the public to enjoy instead of being at the whim of money men?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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So to summarise:

McDonald's = Good

My City My Shirt = Political hot potato (scary if that's the case)

Corporate advertising space instead of permanent local art celebrating our club = Good

Posters from within the area fighting for something good in their community = Bad, pointless, a waste of time.

Posters from outside of the area deciding there's nothing to see here (ironic) = Good

Thanks, guys. Love the support.

[lisvaneblue]

Re: Outrage as stunning My City My Shirt mural is painted over

So to summarise:

McDonald's = Good

My City My Shirt = Political hot potato (scary if that's the case)

Corporate advertising space instead of permanent local art celebrating our club = Good

Posters from within the area fighting for something good in their community = Bad, pointless, a waste of time.

Posters from outside of the area deciding there's nothing to see here (ironic) = Good

Thanks, guys. Love the support.

OK..let's say we/CCFC etc want it there permanently. Already stated by Mischief restaurant that they have let the space to an advertising agency for 5 years. So we want it for the full 5 years for starters for example.

Large billboard type adverts cost to rent from £200 a week + VAT...say £10K a year. 5 year deal £50K. If we want to buy the space..and Mischief willing to sell..probably cost a lot more.
Is that good use of money or are there other things that it could be spent on locally to help the community?

[Baloo]

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OK..let's say we/CCFC etc want it there permanently. Already stated by Mischief restaurant that they have let the space to an advertising agency for 5 years. So we want it for the full 5 years for starters for example.

Large billboard type adverts cost to rent from £200 a week + VAT...say £10K a year. 5 year deal £50K. If we want to buy the space..and Mischief willing to sell..probably cost a lot more.
Is that good use of money or are there other things that it could be spent on locally to help the community?

Do you think it's still worth that? Given the backlash to what's happened here if the mural goes up again I would have thought most brands would want to steer well clear now of being associated with painting over it again.

[Rjk]

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Logic shows that people are acting as if it's an OUTRAGE. How dare a multicultural mural be pointed over?

Those same people are conveniently quiet that the general makeup of the crowd at CCS is pale, male and stale.

Does everything have to be commercial? No. Does the owner of the wall have the freedom to choose what they utilise the wall for or do they have to gain the approval of the vocal minority?

the Cardiff fanbase (and indeed catchment area) are a high percentage white male and middle-aged, the face that this mural was so popular and there has been outrage at it being removed says a lot about the desire to be seen as being welcoming to other groups of people in the fanbase.

could it be thought of as virtue signalling? possibly yes, but that's isn't a bad thing. inclusivity is a virtue, and the only way to achieve it is to send clear signals.

[MacAdder]

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Hey Banksy, blank canvas over the bay
Go sort it out!