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Thread: Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

  1. #226

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I've never seen Ukraine described as a democratic idyll.

    I'm pretty sure this whole thing isn't because "everyone" thinks Ukraine is really nice.
    Ukraine has an edge which would not be considered that democratic in our sense , measured against others in the region its okay, as it try's to appear more Westernised and fair as a society as it seeks closer alignment to Europe and NATO, hence the problem we see now .

  2. #227

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I've never seen Ukraine described as a democratic idyll.

    I'm pretty sure this whole thing isn't because "everyone" thinks Ukraine is really nice.
    Well I quite liked it

  3. #228

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    English footballer Kadeem Harris's fears over life in Ukraine at Metalist Kharkiv

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/worl...alist-kharkiv/

  4. #229

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw View Post
    Putin’s a hypocrite. He says that Ukraine is not a proper country and yet the Soviets took Konigsberg from Germany at the end of the Second World War and renamed it Kaliningrad.
    Are they going to give that back, then?
    Kaliningrad was ceded to the Russians in 1945 (by the US and the UK) after they had invaded it during World War II but since then the Germans have expressed no wish for it to returned back into German hands.

  5. #230

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
    The point that Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons and continues to add to it. There has to come a point when they need to ask themselves is there any need to keep increasing the amount they have?
    The UK has far fewer nuclear weapons than Russia, however, in the event of a nuclear conflict the outcome would be the same... both countries turned to dust.
    Ahh gotcha, went way over my head

  6. #231

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Ahh gotcha, went way over my head
    No worries!

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Made me chuckle :

    Ben Wallace says Vladimir Putin 'gone full tonto'

    It sounds like an expression he has picked up from Johnson. Bullingdon Club speak.

    Not really sure what it means - unless Xi Jinping is the Lone Ranger?

  8. #233

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Ahh gotcha, went way over my head
    If one’s launched, I hope the f*ck it does.

  9. #234

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    Trivial, I know, in the big picture but will Scotland’s game with Ukraine be affected? It surely will.

  10. #235

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    BREAKING: Ukraine says at least seven people have been killed by Russian shelling

    Russian ruble falls by over 8% against US Dollar, now at new record low.

    Brent crude oil hits $103

    Russian vehicles moving across the border from the Crimean peninsula on Thursday, after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced military operations in the country.

    Citizens of Ukraine are seen fleeing the country as Russia continues its invasion

    Not good news to wake up today is it

  11. #236

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    Seems to has escalated into a full scale invasion, with Russian troops attacking from the east, the north and the south.

  12. #237

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    Jesus this is bad, Putin is a madman.

  13. #238

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doucas View Post
    Jesus this is bad, Putin is a madman.
    Taking Europe back decades….the bloke needs taking out. NATO will have to build up a huge force now in Poland etc….threaten him back. I reckon it’s all he will understand.

  14. #239

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    Some reports claiming Russia took out the entire Ukraine air-defence system with the loss of 5 jets. That's nuts if true considering it would probably be NATO hardware?

  15. #240

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Taking Europe back decades….the bloke needs taking out. NATO will have to build up a huge force now in Poland etc….threaten him back. I reckon it’s all he will understand.
    As long as your comfortable playing nuclear chicken with a 70 year old nutter with a god complex.

  16. #241

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    As long as your comfortable playing nuclear chicken with a 70 year old nutter with a god complex.
    Maybe Bulgaria, Romania next? Do they want to go back under the iron curtain? Ukraine certainly doesn’t…..maybe the Russian people will rise up? They’ll soon be banned from going anywhere or partaking in anything.

  17. #242

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    This has been coming for years. This UK government is up to its neck in money from Putins mates. Christ they even put one of them in the House of Lords. London the money laundering capital of the world. Interference in elections. Turning a blind eye has come back and bitten us on the arse. Anyone for tennis!!!

  18. #243

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    BREAKING: Ukraine says it has killed fifty Russian soldiers and shot down six planes

  19. #244

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    BREAKING: Ukraine says it has killed fifty Russian soldiers and shot down six planes
    I read five jets and one helicopter?

  20. #245

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Maybe Bulgaria, Romania next? Do they want to go back under the iron curtain? Ukraine certainly doesn’t…..maybe the Russian people will rise up? They’ll soon be banned from going anywhere or partaking in anything.
    Unlike Ukraine, Bulgaria and Romania are members of NATO. Invading either of those two countries would be on a different level altogether.

  21. #246

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Unlike Ukraine, Bulgaria and Romania are members of NATO. Invading either of those two countries would be on a different level altogether.
    Whose side is China on?

  22. #247

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninian opinian View Post
    This has been coming for years. This UK government is up to its neck in money from Putins mates. Christ they even put one of them in the House of Lords. London the money laundering capital of the world. Interference in elections. Turning a blind eye has come back and bitten us on the arse. Anyone for tennis!!!
    Putin's played the long game. He had a 10 year plan. Funded Brexit to create disharmony in Europe, fund Trump's conspiracy plans and anarchy in America, make countries such as Germany dependant on Russian oil so they don't want sanctions. UK did **** all when Russian spies poisoned brits on UK soil. We did **** all when Russia bombed Syria. He has played us for fools, tested the water in the Crimea. He has China as an ally, supporting their lack of human rights. He funded oligarchs to fund the Tory party. So now he knows he can just do what the hell he likes.

  23. #248

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingers View Post
    Putin's played the long game. He had a 10 year plan. Funded Brexit to create disharmony in Europe, fund Trump's conspiracy plans and anarchy in America, make countries such as Germany dependant on Russian oil so they don't want sanctions. UK did **** all when Russian spies poisoned brits on UK soil. We did **** all when Russia bombed Syria. He has played us for fools, tested the water in the Crimea. He has China as an ally, supporting their lack of human rights. He funded oligarchs to fund the Tory party. So now he knows he can just do what the hell he likes.
    Merkel was advised not to do the gas deal.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50875935

  24. #249

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    A good article regarding sanctions on Russia’s oligarchs, courtesy of the Guardian:

    Putin allows them to prosper on two conditions: that they cough up the cash when he needs it, and that they stay out of politics. The idea that they influence his policies is pure fantasy. The proof of that is that sanctions regularly meted out on oligarchs since 2014 have made not one jot of difference to Putin’s policies.

    However, there is a much bolder and more imaginative approach. Russia’s ruling class – the members of the Duma, the Senate, the presidential council, the top echelons of the security and defence services, top state television employees – is several thousands strong. These men (and some women) draft, rubber-stamp, promote and carry out Putin’s decisions. Some of them also – unlike the oligarchs – actually advise him.
    Being a member of the Duma or Senate is a pretty cushy number – you are well-paid, you can make an occasional speech if you wish, but you are basically there to vote for the Kremlin’s decisions, and, above all, you can extort as many bribes as you can cope with. (For this reason they are detested by a majority of Russians.) Members of the presidential council are civil servants, essential for the preparation of legislation. The security services play crucial roles in executing Putin’s vision. And TV propagandists spread disinformation.

    These are the people to target – because when several thousand of the people Putin actually depends on begin to feel the consequences of his policies in their personal lives, there will be a groundswell of discontent.

    Most of these people love to travel to Europe and the US. They educate their children here. They own properties here. The members of the Russian elite, their families and children, love to swan around on yachts, ski slopes and fine hotels in the west, posting pictures of themselves on Instagram. If they are denied visas to travel to the west – if they are effectively imprisoned in Russia – it will not take long for the discontent to permeate the entire political class. The message to them will be clear: if you want to enjoy your western lifestyles, you need a new leader who respects western values; until then, you’re banned.

    The added value of this approach is that, unlike some economic sanctions, it will not harm ordinary Russians, in fact, it will delight them.

  25. #250

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Whose side is China on?
    china is on China's side

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