What a bunch of tossers

[WJ99mobile]

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Raab is a cock, admit that

But people using this to bash brexit when in reality it has very very little if anything at all to do with the EU membership.

Unless you can inform us otherwise Sludge

[WJ99mobile]

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Interesting that they didn't sack any of their French employees though isn't it. It's almost as if France has properly robust laws preventing this sort of thing whilst our Tory government voted against a ban on it last year, as you would expect them to if you knew what Raab and Truss etc wrote in Britannia Unchained.
They may not have actually axed an EU law to enable this to happen, but just watch as employment protection, consumer laws, environmental protections and democratic rights are all slashed in the coming years under the banner of "cutting Brussels red tape".

But they did sack their Portuguese employees?

[Dave Blue]

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I will never change my beliefs in what is right, wrong good or bad just because an opposing view had more votes on a particular day and no one should be expected to shut up about it or not continue to expose its stupidity.

[B. Oddie]

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I really think that you need to let this Brexit thing go now. Your side lost in a democratic vote and is still trying to ignore the result. Presumably if you had your way, we would be pursuing policies akin to Putins in Russia, including the arrest, maiming and killing of innocent civilians.

What an ignorant, arrogant and vile sod you are. I've noticed more and more of your posts lately and I've formed a very negative opinion of you.

[NYCBlue]

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I really think that you need to let this Brexit thing go now. Your side lost in a democratic vote and is still trying to ignore the result. Presumably if you had your way, we would be pursuing policies akin to Putins in Russia, including the arrest, maiming and killing of innocent civilians.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Britannia Unchained

written in crayon by Kwasi Kwarteng, Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Chris Skidmore, and Elizabeth Truss.

The book asserts that the UK has a "bloated state, high taxes, and excessive regulation". It then says:

The British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor. Whereas Indian children aspire to be doctors or businessmen, the British are more interested in football and pop music.

These people rule us. As Sludge says, one of them could be your neighbour. Be vigilant.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I really think that you need to let this Brexit thing go now. Your side lost in a democratic vote and is still trying to ignore the result. Presumably if you had your way, we would be pursuing policies akin to Putins in Russia, including the arrest, maiming and killing of innocent civilians.

You really are a sad, sour, miserable, mean-spirited excuse of a person.

[Swiss Peter]

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I will never change my beliefs in what is right, wrong good or bad just because an opposing view had more votes on a particular day and no one should be expected to shut up about it or not continue to expose its stupidity.

Well put, Dave. I read it quite a lot now - "you lot lost, you should shut up and go away now". It doesn't work like that. We will hold to account the architects of Brexit, and those that still claim to support it, every step of the way as Brexit unfolds. I can see why that is uncomfortable for them.

[JamesWales]

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Interesting that they didn't sack any of their French employees though isn't it. It's almost as if France has properly robust laws preventing this sort of thing whilst our Tory government voted against a ban on it last year, as you would expect them to if you knew what Raab and Truss etc wrote in Britannia Unchained.
They may not have actually axed an EU law to enable this to happen, but just watch as employment protection, consumer laws, environmental protections and democratic rights are all slashed in the coming years under the banner of "cutting Brussels red tape".

understanding is that the bastards only fired sea-fearing workers. All of which were seemingly British. Office based staff in numerous counties were not effected.

Either way, if you don't think France has industrial disputes then you clearly pay no attention to current affairs. French workers get laid off all the time. It's not uncommon for a company to close a French factory and retain a British one - or vice versa.

There are a huge number of variables.

What pissed me off, is as soon as this news breaks, the usual lot on twitter and elsewhere circle like ganets trying to swoop down to make the story about them and how righteous they were in 2016 even though the story is absolutely fck all to do with it. It's so disengenuous. People who actually give a toss will be spending their time offering sympathy or trying to find solutions

[JamesWales]

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Jimbo, how very intolerant of you. Calm down lad.

You need a couple of glasses of Blue Nun after a bout of self-flagellation with a wet Daily Torygraph.

Brexit was stupid. Start facing facts.

I look forward to actually stating some facts some day.

Hope the weather is nice in Arizona old bean.xx

[JamesWales]

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Well put, Dave. I read it quite a lot now - "you lot lost, you should shut up and go away now". It doesn't work like that. We will hold to account the architects of Brexit, and those that still claim to support it, every step of the way as Brexit unfolds. I can see why that is uncomfortable for them.

How is this anything to do with Brexit? It's just such brain rot to come to that conclusion with absolutely no evidence.

It's like quotient the Bible when there is a car accident. Just madness.

And as I've said before, totally diseingenuous. If people actually cared about the workers involved they would not be making the story about themselves

[the other bob wilson]

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understanding is that the bastards only fired sea-fearing workers. All of which were seemingly British. Office based staff in numerous counties were not effected.

Either way, if you don't think France has industrial disputes then you clearly pay no attention to current affairs. French workers get laid off all the time. It's not uncommon for a company to close a French factory and retain a British one - or vice versa.

There are a huge number of variables.

What pissed me off, is as soon as this news breaks, the usual lot on twitter and elsewhere circle like ganets trying to swoop down to make the story about them and how righteous they were in 2016 even though the story is absolutely fck all to do with it. It's so disengenuous. People who actually give a toss will be spending their time offering sympathy or trying to find solutions

You’ve got to acknowledge that after the two votes in the seventies there were people who resolved to get us out of what was then the Common Market and they chipped away and chipped away for decades until there was a complacent prime minister willing to give them a vote on membership. A precedent has therefore been created and those who most wanted us to remain are never going to sit idly by and accept that we’re out for ever. Farage said a 52/48 vote to remain would see him continuing to campaign to come out, so why should the other side be expected to behave differently?

[JamesWales]

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You’ve got to acknowledge that after the two votes in the seventies there were people who resolved to get us out of what was then the Common Market and they chipped away and chipped away for decades until there was a complacent prime minister willing to give them a vote on membership. A precedent has therefore been created and those who most wanted us to remain are never going to sit idly by and accept that we’re out for ever. Farage said a 52/48 vote to remain would see him continuing to campaign to come out, so why should the other side be expected to behave differently?

You may be mistaking me for someone else here, but yes, I agree with you and I have no issue (now, finally the referendum result has been fulfilled and democracy has prevailed) with parties standing on a platform of a new referendum - I can imagine the Lib Dems may do that in time and a few small pro-EU parties have tried it.

Thats fine, if a little pointless.

What is less fine is people using any bad situation and exploiting it to make it about them and the topic they care about.

P&O management have behaved reprehensibly and probably illegally. Companies do so across the world, inside the EU and outside. The EU remember consistently has higher unemployment rates than we do. They lose jobs, they gain jobs. Their factories close, ours open. Ours close, theirs open. You cant use any scenario and demand it be about Brexit when it is highly unlikely that it is.

People are of course entitled to behave like arseholes if they wish, but they should be called out for it.

This is about sacked workers. If people think there is something new in that then they really do not pay attention to other peoples lives.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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understanding is that the bastards only fired sea-fearing workers. All of which were seemingly British. Office based staff in numerous counties were not effected.

Either way, if you don't think France has industrial disputes then you clearly pay no attention to current affairs. French workers get laid off all the time. It's not uncommon for a company to close a French factory and retain a British one - or vice versa.

There are a huge number of variables.

What pissed me off, is as soon as this news breaks, the usual lot on twitter and elsewhere circle like ganets trying to swoop down to make the story about them and how righteous they were in 2016 even though the story is absolutely fck all to do with it. It's so disengenuous. People who actually give a toss will be spending their time offering sympathy or trying to find solutions

What pissed me off was Tories pretending to be shocked about workers being treated like shit by billionaires who've claimed taxpayers money and are paying millions of pounds in dividends, when that's exactly the way they think the world should work, to the extent that they actually voted against laws preventing that kind of behaviour last year and have said publicly that workers should have fewer rights.

People who actually give a toss will be promising never to vote Conservative ever again.

[Swiss Peter]

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How is this anything to do with Brexit? It's just such brain rot to come to that conclusion with absolutely no evidence.

It's like quotient the Bible when there is a car accident. Just madness.

And as I've said before, totally diseingenuous. If people actually cared about the workers involved they would not be making the story about themselves

Sorry, was that a response to my post? I didn't say that the P&O dispute (if that' s what you mean by 'this') had anything to do with Brexit. I haven't had the time to look into whether that might be the case or not. Others brought Brexit into this thread, and I was simply responding to an excellent post by Dave which captured the way I look at things.

But, since you're here......

Guido Fawkes full reference was to 'self-loathing liberal brain rot'. You might as well use the full quote while you're at it.