Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
I think there is a bit of confirmation bias here TOBW. People tend to vote for parties for the same reasons; because it's good for them, their family, their community or their country. Lots of apathetic Labour voters around who do so out of habit and in many cases because it's good for their own comfortable existence. There really isn't some grand moral difference here, it's just people have different interpretations of who has the best policies.

As for "party gate", as you know, I was less 'burn him at the stake' than most, but I do think he should have resigned and I said that on several occasions. Now, I think the time has passed and I don't think it would be that beneficial if he did. He has apologised and his brand has been rightly permanently damaged amongst everyone and I think there are more important things ongoing at the moment.

That said, it does rather depend what the Metropolitan police actually say and who they issue fines to, but generally speaking I've moved on.
It's always amused me how so many right wingers on here talk about how they voted Labour in their youth seemingly as a way of trying to deflect attention away from who they vote for now. In the last election just over forty per cent of the country who voted opted for the Tories with many of those in certain parts of the country who did so happy to shout it from the rooftops. However, there were also the "usual suspects", the thirty per cent, at least, who always vote Conservatives who are what is known as "quiet Conservatives" who do not make a point of telling people who they vote for - in fact, some of them probably tell themselves that they won't vote Tory this time, but once they get in that polling booth when push comes to shove, they always put their x in the Conservative box.

Actually, I'm wrong to say they always do it, because, as I mentioned above, some of them were left wing in their youth, but they soon "matured" and realised what life was really like. That being the case then, why are so many of them seemingly so keen to establish their left wing credentials from early in their lives? Surely it cannot be a sense of guilt and some embarrassment that they know their vote is now cast purely in self interest for the "what's in it for me" party can it?

The modern day Conservative party voter has to be prepared to "move on" from all sorts of cock ups, PR disasters and law breaking these days - how else could you justify voting for them if you stopped and looked back at all of the scandals the party and their leader have been involved in since December 2019?

You say there's no difference between the two parties, so why is that I feel morally superior to anyone who still supports the Conservative party and this Government in particular - it's reached the stage where it's becoming hard to even justify supporting them on the grounds of self interest unless you're one of a favoured few.