the continued rise of the right

[Rjk]

it looked a while ago that the rise of far right "strong man" leaders was reaching its end, with Bolsonaro and Orban behind in polls.

Orban has won his recent election, by a large margin. there are many concerns about the fairness of the election but he's won.
he received a significant boost after Russia invaded Ukraine interestingly.

Bolsonaro was well behind in polling in Brazil, but is now much closer.

and now in France, one opinion poll has Le Pen ahead of Macron

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1512069189661454339?t=nTmNN4TmJcYW5-EpWRLjOw&s=19

[Pearcey3]

Re: the continued rise of the right

It would grim if Le Pen did win in France. I had hoped Bolsonaro’s shameful handling of vivid would have seen him well beaten.

[Rjk]

Re: the continued rise of the right

It would grim if Le Pen did win in France. I had hoped Bolsonaro’s shameful handling of vivid would have seen him well beaten.

he's still behind in the poll but gaining I think, and you have to worry what lengths he will go to to cling into power.

his opponent has previously been arrested on bogus charges and barred from contesting a previous election

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: the continued rise of the right

All over Europe

[delmbox]

Re: the continued rise of the right

isn't Le Pen always slightly behind Macron at this stage but then she loses?

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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isn't Le Pen always slightly behind Macron at this stage but then she loses?

I think you're right. They have a system that narrows it down to the last 2, when most right-minded voters vote for whoever's left who isn't Le Pen.

[PontBlue]

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With the exception of France those others countries leaders hold on to power by corruption, eliminating the opposition via jail or worse and have hijacked the media to ensure the population don't get a true picture of them.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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isn't Le Pen always slightly behind Macron at this stage but then she loses?

Today's polling suggests she is going to win the run off.

[life on mars]

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Le Pen is closing in as she's focusing on a Trump mantra domestic policies , where Macron is keen on being the new big boy voice of Europe and world stage politician with Merkel gone ,could be dangerous as the cost of living bites into their economy, her anti Muslim stance is also coming to the debate .

[bigjoe]

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I think you're right. They have a system that narrows it down to the last 2, when most right-minded voters vote for whoever's left who isn't Le Pen.

If any candidate would get the majority of the votes during the first round, there wouldn't be a second round. Polls predicting Macron would beat Le Pen in the second round but it's getting closer and closer to the error margins.

[OurManFlint II]

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The left-wing are smashing it across Latam, Mexico, Argentina, Bolivia, Peru, and Honduras. CIA probably ran out of money. I suspect Lula will win in Brazil now he's back as well. Also depends where you plant your flag on left-wing but Europe seems to be very central left currently.

[JamesWales]

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Few thoughts;

1 / Its wrong to use 'the right' and 'far right' interchangably. Two very different things
2 / Its also unclear what actually defines many of these politicians as 'far right'. Economically at least Le Pen has more in common with the left than Macron. Anti-globalist may be a better definition for some of them at least.
3 / Linked to the above, one of the most interesting elements of the forthcoming French presidential election is where the 'far' left (see above - the same point applies) vote goes. Based on the latest polls, Macron and Le Pen should get similar votes in round one. Typically Macron (or any predecessor) then sweeps up the vast majority of remaining votes. However, Macron seems to be struggling on that. I think Le Pen will get nearly all of Zemmours votes (perhaps 10%), and I think most of Melanchons (perhaps 18-20%). Where the left votes after this will determine the result of the election.
4 / Irrespective, Macron will almost certainly win - I would suggest 55-45
5 / All of these things go in cycles...parts of the world swing left, other parts swing right, then they both reverse. Its the normal state of things.
6 / Someone mentioned mainstream European politics at the moment. The EU is run by centre-right conservatives and has been the largest party for several years now. That great swathes of the British left aligned themselves to the EU so strongly, in spite of its own working class strongly voting against it is one of the most baffling phenomena s in contemporary politics.

[Splott-light...]

Re: the continued rise of the right

Few thoughts;

1 / Its wrong to use 'the right' and 'far right' interchangably. Two very different things
2 / Its also unclear what actually defines many of these politicians as 'far right'. Economically at least Le Pen has more in common with the left than Macron. Anti-globalist may be a better definition for some of them at least.
3 / Linked to the above, one of the most interesting elements of the forthcoming French presidential election is where the 'far' left (see above - the same point applies) vote goes. Based on the latest polls, Macron and Le Pen should get similar votes in round one. Typically Macron (or any predecessor) then sweeps up the vast majority of remaining votes. However, Macron seems to be struggling on that. I think Le Pen will get nearly all of Zemmours votes (perhaps 10%), and I think most of Melanchons (perhaps 18-20%). Where the left votes after this will determine the result of the election.
4 / Irrespective, Macron will almost certainly win - I would suggest 55-45
5 / All of these things go in cycles...parts of the world swing left, other parts swing right, then they both reverse. Its the normal state of things.
6 / Someone mentioned mainstream European politics at the moment. The EU is run by centre-right conservatives and has been the largest party for several years now. That great swathes of the British left aligned themselves to the EU so strongly, in spite of its own working class strongly voting against it is one of the most baffling phenomena s in contemporary politics.

a very rational, sensible reply..

..are you new here? 😅

[Wales-Bales]

Re: the continued rise of the right

It's the rise of the wrong that you should be worried about!

[Pearcey3]

Re: the continued rise of the right

Few thoughts;

1 / Its wrong to use 'the right' and 'far right' interchangably. Two very different things
2 / Its also unclear what actually defines many of these politicians as 'far right'. Economically at least Le Pen has more in common with the left than Macron. Anti-globalist may be a better definition for some of them at least.
3 / Linked to the above, one of the most interesting elements of the forthcoming French presidential election is where the 'far' left (see above - the same point applies) vote goes. Based on the latest polls, Macron and Le Pen should get similar votes in round one. Typically Macron (or any predecessor) then sweeps up the vast majority of remaining votes. However, Macron seems to be struggling on that. I think Le Pen will get nearly all of Zemmours votes (perhaps 10%), and I think most of Melanchons (perhaps 18-20%). Where the left votes after this will determine the result of the election.
4 / Irrespective, Macron will almost certainly win - I would suggest 55-45
5 / All of these things go in cycles...parts of the world swing left, other parts swing right, then they both reverse. Its the normal state of things.
6 / Someone mentioned mainstream European politics at the moment. The EU is run by centre-right conservatives and has been the largest party for several years now. That great swathes of the British left aligned themselves to the EU so strongly, in spite of its own working class strongly voting against it is one of the most baffling phenomena s in contemporary politics.

Decent post but I would turn your question around and ask why the working class are so anti the EU especially given the employment protections brought in to safeguard working practices.