Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

[Packerman]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Tight decision, and I also view this as him having a bit more confidence in the way the investigation goes..

Really? just think he has some moral integrity unlike Johnson

[Feedback]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

So, that’s the stage we’ve reached - a politician with no moral compass is regarded as a positive thing because he can’t be be criticised for hypocrisy

If Starmer resigns after a fixed penalty notice, there should not be any justification for Johnson remaining Prime Minister (there isn’t now anyway) - this has got nothing to do with party politics (I won’t be voting for Starmer’s party if he stays on after being fined) it’s about moral compasses

You've misunderstood. Johnson doesn't leave himself exposed, unlike Starmer, if the stories are true.

The post was more about Johnsons political acumen, which at this time appears greater than Starmer. Whilst Starmer has potentially shot himself in his foot, Johnson has not.

Again, the point wasn't about moral compass, because that's based on personal experience.

[Feedback]

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It’s being reported that Starmer will make a statement at four saying he will resign if fined.

I do wonder if Starmer resigns whether this will force Johnson and Sunak to reassess their own positions.

[lardy]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

You've misunderstood. Johnson doesn't leave himself exposed, unlike Starmer, if the stories are true.

The post was more about Johnsons political acumen, which at this time appears greater than Starmer. Whilst Starmer has potentially shot himself in his foot, Johnson has not.

Again, the point wasn't about moral compass, because that's based on personal experience.

Johnson doesn't leave himself exposed?

When this first broke, he was saying he was just as furious as anyone else in the country at what had been going on, and was determined to get to the bottom of it. Later we found out he was at half of them.

The difference is not about digging a hole, it's that Johnson absolutely doesn't care. I guess you can call that political acumen if you like.

[blue matt]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

lets be honest here, its all a farce

but lets look at the scenario

a group of people all sit in the same room / office working ( which was in the rules if they felt they couldnt work from home )

the same group order a Indian takeaway and beer / wine , now they sit down with the same people as they have spent the day with and eat that curry and drink a beer or 2, this is now wrong

I know we had Covid rules for a purpose, but lets have some common sense, the above scenario shows it was a joke in some instances

now its happened to both party leaders, maybe its to put it to bed, Boris has apologised and isn't going to resign, Starmer can do the same and maybe both get on with doing the jobs they are paid to do

[Hilts]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Correct decision and the right thing to announce.

Get fined - resign.

Just as the Bufoon and Sunak should have done.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

lets be honest here, its all a farce

but lets look at the scenario

a group of people all sit in the same room / office working ( which was in the rules if they felt they couldnt work from home )

the same group order a Indian takeaway and beer / wine , now they sit down with the same people as they have spent the day with and eat that curry and drink a beer or 2, this is now wrong

I know we had Covid rules for a purpose, but lets have some common sense, the above scenario shows it was a joke in some instances

now its happened to both party leaders, maybe its to put it to bed, Boris has apologised and isn't going to resign, Starmer can do the same and maybe both get on with doing the jobs they are paid to do

It is getting more and more ridiculous. Why Starmer thinks that 'falling on his sword' will put pressure on BJ to do the same, is a mystery. Just let it happen, get fined, take the flack, and neither Starmer or BJ - or anyone close to them - will EVER raise the subject again !

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

lets be honest here, its all a farce

but lets look at the scenario

a group of people all sit in the same room / office working ( which was in the rules if they felt they couldnt work from home )

the same group order a Indian takeaway and beer / wine , now they sit down with the same people as they have spent the day with and eat that curry and drink a beer or 2, this is now wrong

I know we had Covid rules for a purpose, but lets have some common sense, the above scenario shows it was a joke in some instances

now its happened to both party leaders, maybe its to put it to bed, Boris has apologised and isn't going to resign, Starmer can do the same and maybe both get on with doing the jobs they are paid to do

We’ve just seen the difference between Johnson and Starmer. Still, I suppose it was the dull, boring thing to do - what a character “Boris” (registered trademark) is eh!

[Hilts]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

It is getting more and more ridiculous. Why Starmer thinks that 'falling on his sword' will put pressure on BJ to do the same, is a mystery. Just let it happen, get fined, take the flack, and neither Starmer or BJ - or anyone close to them - will EVER raise the subject again !

Has Starmer said hes doing it to put pressure on Boris?

It is likely to be raised again. There could be more fines for Boris.

Starmer has done the right thing.

Why just let it happen and be fined.? My bet is he wont be fined.

If he is he goes and rightly so.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

We’ve just seen the difference between Johnson and Starmer. Still, I suppose it was the dull, boring thing to do - what a character “Boris” (registered trademark) is eh!

You think Starmer has said this because of some sort of principle ? Maybe it's something to do with his digging a political hole for himself he could climb out of.

[Hilts]

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To add though. The tories know it will put pressure on Boris. Thats why we get the take the flak carry on blah blah blah.

Interesting months ahead.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Has Starmer said hes doing it to put pressure on Boris?

It is likely to be raised again. There could be more fines for Boris.

Starmer has done the right thing.

Why just let it happen and be fined.? My bet is he wont be fined.

If he is he goes and rightly so.

It puts the police firmly in the spotlight. If they fine him, he goes, if they don't, then I bet questions will be asked 'why not' ?

[the other bob wilson]

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You think Starmer has said this because of some sort of principle ? Maybe it's something to do with his digging a political hole for himself he could climb out of.

I said earlier in this thread that I thought what he’s just done was right morally and tactically, so, yes, there is an element of party politics to it, but the contrast between both men (and Angela Rayner who has also said she’ll stand down if fined) has been put into stark clarity now.

[Feedback]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Johnson doesn't leave himself exposed?

When this first broke, he was saying he was just as furious as anyone else in the country at what had been going on, and was determined to get to the bottom of it. Later we found out he was at half of them.

The difference is not about digging a hole, it's that Johnson absolutely doesn't care. I guess you can call that political acumen if you like.

Yours is a valid point but not related to mine. For want of repeating myself I am saying Johnson does not criticise other politicians when they make mistakes - probably because he knows he's guilty of it himself somewhere along the line.

[Hilts]

Re: Starmer will be investigated by Durham Police ( crazy why now )

Yours is a valid point but not related to mine. For want of repeating myself I am saying Johnson does not criticise other politicians when they make mistakes - probably because he knows he's guilty of it himself somewhere along the line.

Doesnt mind throwing in Jimmy Saville comments though.