Trust..CCFC big row brewing

[The Lone Gunman]

Supporters club have their say

"As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"

Can anyone recall CCSC ever making any public criticism of the football club or any of the club’s owners or officials?

[J R Hartley]

It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.

Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?

You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.

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[NYCBlue]

Trust's letter seemed entirely reasonable to me and in no way "self-serving". Pathetic response from the club.

I don't think it's pathetic at all. The "Trust" just got ****ing schooled.

It's quite strange to see the club address something so swiftly and with such aplomb.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

I don't think it's pathetic at all. The "Trust" just got ****ing schooled.

It's quite strange to see the club address something so swiftly and with such aplomb.

Totally agree with you. I read the verbose, self righteous ‘trust’ thing and squirmed. I was more surprised the club even deigned it with a response.

[splott parker]

Supporters club have their say

"Cardiff City Supporters club (CCSC) are aware of the recent issues highlighted on social media by the Cardiff City Supporters Trust and of the football clubs response. CCSC are unaware of the details surrounding these issues and therefore are unable to make any direct comment.

However as an organisation, CCSC has always had a healthy working relationship with the football club which has been cemented over the years by regular meetings with board members and senior staff at the club. These meetings have always facilitated honest, frank and respectful exchanges of views from both parties. The football club has provided us with regular opportunities to convey the views and concerns of both our members and fans in general, and we believe that they have where possible, taken these views into account.

As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"

Ronnie Corbett springs to mind here.........”I know my place”

[splott parker]

It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.

Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?

You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.

Supporting a football (other sports too) club is definitely a unique situation.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Supporters club have their say

"Cardiff City Supporters club (CCSC) are aware of the recent issues highlighted on social media by the Cardiff City Supporters Trust and of the football clubs response. CCSC are unaware of the details surrounding these issues and therefore are unable to make any direct comment.

However as an organisation, CCSC has always had a healthy working relationship with the football club which has been cemented over the years by regular meetings with board members and senior staff at the club. These meetings have always facilitated honest, frank and respectful exchanges of views from both parties. The football club has provided us with regular opportunities to convey the views and concerns of both our members and fans in general, and we believe that they have where possible, taken these views into account.

As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"

Hey supporters club ......write a press release praising us and slagging off the trust with a backhander


Supporters club .......OK great ones , does it need to be typed or handwritten ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Yep of course ccsc are unaware of the issues

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This club is a fecking joke

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Supporters club have their say

"Cardiff City Supporters club (CCSC) are aware of the recent issues highlighted on social media by the Cardiff City Supporters Trust and of the football clubs response. CCSC are unaware of the details surrounding these issues and therefore are unable to make any direct comment.

However as an organisation, CCSC has always had a healthy working relationship with the football club which has been cemented over the years by regular meetings with board members and senior staff at the club. These meetings have always facilitated honest, frank and respectful exchanges of views from both parties. The football club has provided us with regular opportunities to convey the views and concerns of both our members and fans in general, and we believe that they have where possible, taken these views into account.

As an organisation we have no issues with the current level of communication and relationship between ourselves and Cardiff City football Club"

Dear supporters club chaps

Please sign this letter as if you wrote it

Thanks

[The Bloop]

'...unable to make any direct comment...however...' 😄

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

'...unable to make any direct comment...however...' 😄

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What a bunch of idiots

Not a lot going on upstairs there

[Cleve van Leef]

Am I right in thinking the Trust has been given access to a room under the Ninian stand for several seasons?
Never many folk there, as I recall - but presumably the Club has continued to provide this facility (however small).

Cubicle in the Gents toilet?

[Baloo]

I don't think it's pathetic at all. The "Trust" just got ****ing schooled.

It's quite strange to see the club address something so swiftly and with such aplomb.

Aplomb? At best it came a across as a completely triggered "I'm taking my ball home" knee-jerk response to criticism.

[Vindec]

Why is it called a Trust when it isn't?

[Baloo]

Trust Responds To Club Statement
admin May 10, 2022


Keith Morgan, Trust Chair

Fans may be aware that Cardiff City FC yesterday issued a statement in the wake of our letter sent to Vincent Tan. The link to the club statement is https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...se-open-letter

In view of the comments made by the club we have drafted the below statement.

Keith Morgan, chair of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, responding to the statement from Cardiff City said “We are very disappointed at the response from the club. We will not flinch from asking sometimes difficult but pertinent questions about the club we love and support.

“To suggest we are a group of self-serving individuals is not only insulting but patently wrong. Many of our board members have been fans of the club for more 50 years and we will continue to support our club long after the current directors have departed.

“Of course, we back supporter representation on the club’s board with a representative democratically elected. That is something recommended by the UK Government’s Fans’-led Review which will be implemented over the next few years. It was made perfectly clear in the review that clubs should no longer pay lip service to its supporters.

“The Trust is proud to have organised the fundraising for the iconic Fred Keenor Statue, surely an example of our love for the club, along with raising thousands of pounds for charity and in recent times organised two foodbank collections, with support from club staff, to help those in food poverty.

“We are always open for dialogue – something we have been crying out for – and we hope the powers that be will engage as we’ve been trying to do so for many months.

This has to be about the future of the club and its relationship with the people that matter most, the fans of this great club.

“The Trust was asked by the club – which we were happy to do –to handle the money donated from the Ukraine collections at the Cardiff City Stadium. The Trust has been liaising with local representatives of Ukrainian charities to target the funds collected at specific initiatives. It begs the question why the club then doesn’t consider us to be a ‘proper’ fans’ group?

“We can also confirm that we have continued to be recognised as a group by Football Supporters’ Association ever since we ceased to be a formal Mutual Society and that we are in the final stages of registration with the Financial Conduct Authority as a formal Community Society. The comment of not meeting the “minimum standards” of FSA membership is therefore just simply untrue.”

http://www.ccfctrust.org/

[The Lone Gunman]

Why is it called a Trust when it isn't?

What leads you to believe that it isn’t?

[splott parker]

Trust Responds To Club Statement
admin May 10, 2022


Keith Morgan, Trust Chair

Fans may be aware that Cardiff City FC yesterday issued a statement in the wake of our letter sent to Vincent Tan. The link to the club statement is https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...se-open-letter

In view of the comments made by the club we have drafted the below statement.

Keith Morgan, chair of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust, responding to the statement from Cardiff City said “We are very disappointed at the response from the club. We will not flinch from asking sometimes difficult but pertinent questions about the club we love and support.

“To suggest we are a group of self-serving individuals is not only insulting but patently wrong. Many of our board members have been fans of the club for more 50 years and we will continue to support our club long after the current directors have departed.

“Of course, we back supporter representation on the club’s board with a representative democratically elected. That is something recommended by the UK Government’s Fans’-led Review which will be implemented over the next few years. It was made perfectly clear in the review that clubs should no longer pay lip service to its supporters.

“The Trust is proud to have organised the fundraising for the iconic Fred Keenor Statue, surely an example of our love for the club, along with raising thousands of pounds for charity and in recent times organised two foodbank collections, with support from club staff, to help those in food poverty.

“We are always open for dialogue – something we have been crying out for – and we hope the powers that be will engage as we’ve been trying to do so for many months.

This has to be about the future of the club and its relationship with the people that matter most, the fans of this great club.

“The Trust was asked by the club – which we were happy to do –to handle the money donated from the Ukraine collections at the Cardiff City Stadium. The Trust has been liaising with local representatives of Ukrainian charities to target the funds collected at specific initiatives. It begs the question why the club then doesn’t consider us to be a ‘proper’ fans’ group?

“We can also confirm that we have continued to be recognised as a group by Football Supporters’ Association ever since we ceased to be a formal Mutual Society and that we are in the final stages of registration with the Financial Conduct Authority as a formal Community Society. The comment of not meeting the “minimum standards” of FSA membership is therefore just simply untrue.”

http://www.ccfctrust.org/

Well done, good, swift response

[Former Labour leader]

I fund the whole row strange.
What is really behind it?

[WJ99mobile]

Why is it called a Trust when it isn't?

Think the question is why isn’t the trust a trust and what steps does it need to take to become one

[Pedro de la Rosa]

I fund the whole row strange.
What is really behind it?

The club don’t like being asked questions. There’s a reason we came about 87th in the league for fan involvement etc.

[UNDERHILL1927]

It’s not true at all. It’s absolute nonsense. Football supporters are not even close to being on a par with cinema goers.

Nobody ‘supports’ a cinema. Nobody travels all over the country (or Europe) supporting their local cinema while it competes with rival cinemas. Nobody buys cinema merchandise. Nobody joins a cinema supporters club. Nobody wears a replica cinema shirt. There are no cinema league tables, no cinema championships, no cinema play-offs, no cinema cup competitions. Nobody cares who manages a cinema or who works in a cinema. Nobody debates the merits or otherwise of cinemas on tv shows, radio shows, websites, podcasts, in newspapers, in magazines, in fanzines, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t tell me an intelligent guy like you ever really thought that football supporters are just like cinema goers?

You’re right to suggest that Cardiff City supporters are considered to be no more than customers by the current regime, but that’s certainly not been the case throughout the club’s history and it’s not the case at most professional football clubs either.

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[Dorcus]

The club don’t like being asked questions. There’s a reason we came about 87th in the league for fan involvement etc.

Correct and this club response is proof positive if ever we needed it. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

[insider]

I fund the whole row strange.
What is really behind it?

I think it goes back to a meeting a few months ago when a disagreement happened and since then communications dried up.

[Dorcus]

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Best post so far 👍

[insider]

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People don't support the cinema like people don't support the football stadium they watch the films and the team on the pitch.