Have the old guard run out of steam?

[Wales-Bales]

Sacrilege I know, but have they?

[Cleve van Leef]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

No - they were immense today, especially Hennessey, Davies who were outstanding, Allen, Ramsey did their job, Bale short of match fitness.

[Hilts]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

Bale and Ramsey are not the force they were but still good players and vital for us.

There are other good old pros in the squad who young players not in the squad should be thinking I can replace them.

Hopefully a few start the season flying and give Page selection problems.

CM and central defence we badly need better options.

[Hilts]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

No - they were immense today, especially Hennessey, Davies who were outstanding, Allen, Ramsey did their job, Bale short of match fitness.

Agree about Hennessy and Davies and the fitness of Bale and Ramsey. Allens had a mare tonight though.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

It's not a like-for-like comparable situation for many reasons, but I thought our 'reserve' line up against Poland looked a lot more accomplished in midfield. Today Allen and Ramsey played 90 minutes, Bale 83 minutes. I doubt Page will be doing that in Qatar..

[life on mars]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

The heat in the desert will test em

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

No - they were immense today, especially Hennessey, Davies who were outstanding, Allen, Ramsey did their job, Bale short of match fitness.

Davies is still a young lad!

[Tuerto]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

Ramsey and Allen struggled with the ball movement of the Ukraine midfield at times, and Ramsey was getting ahead of the ball, which is his game so it's difficult to be critical. Overall though, they got the job done, so who gives a ****!

[BLUEAWAY]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

Sacrilege I know, but have they?

Based on today's performance Bale, Ramsey and Allen Yes.
The mitigating factors are Bale and Rambo are not 100%, but might never be. For Allen its the end of another hard season.
Also Rambo and Allen played deep with players running at them from all angles and lacked support.

All gave everything they had.

[ToTaL ITK]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

The heat in the desert will test em

they reckon it will be about 45C which is enough to cook an egg and some chips. Almost like an air fryer! the lads will be lucky to come out looking sweaty pale and losers

[Divine Wright]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

https://dohanews.co/how-exactly-will-qatar-deliver-a-cool-world-cup-2022-in-the-desert-heat/

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

Bale still provided a telling contribution, may not be the player he was but he's still a real match winner. Ramsey has always blown hot and cold. I think Allen's days as a 90 minute player may be over, but I think he still offers something!!

[Divine Wright]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

18-25C average temperature...... Air con in all stadia. Probably won't be as shit as everyone thinks.....at least in terms of the weather.

Looks like it's probably a really boring place to go though in terms of the cultural opportunities whilst visiting...... You've got to wonder how the local police will take to the habits of football fans in terms of drinking and "having a fun time".

Must be better places in the Middle East to stage a WC if the objective is to take the tournament to further reaches.

[dandywarhol]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

Bale and Ramsey pulled us out of the dark days.They deserve respect.

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Have the old guard run out of steam?

We can't play with Aaron Ramsey and Joe Allen as our only central midfielders. Against Austria, Harry Wilson did a lot of tracking back to help them out, but he wasn't in the starting lineup today.