There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

Stephen Glover - super-qualified to write such crap.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

That DM article is as racist as they come (so are the BTL comments generally). It's dangerous, mean-spirited, mis-represented, selective, bigoted racism. Written by a white guy for other white guys.

I don't think the majority of people with issues with migration are actually doing it for racial issues but instead economic and keeping their world the same.

They'd be the same if there was a threat of working class white people were moving near.

But you're right it is mean minded.

[JamesWales]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

That DM article is as racist as they come (so are the BTL comments generally). It's dangerous, mean-spirited, mis-represented, selective, bigoted racism. Written by a white guy for other white guys.

If it's racist, there will be a police investigation. What you probably mean, is that the article disagrees with you. And so you label it racist because you know for a long time, you've been able to hide behind that to avoid addressing any of the issues.

What actually is more racist, is the immigration policy we have had for the last couple of decades, which explicitly gives advantages to people from an overwhelmingly white part of the world (within the EU), over those from an overwhelmingly non-white part of the world (the rest of it). That has changed now. Everyone is considered equally, whether from Netherlands or Nigeria.

No system is perfect, but in terms of racism, it is unquestionably the one you presumably support that is more racist.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

I don't think the majority of people with issues with migration are actually doing it for racial issues but instead economic and keeping their world the same.

They'd be the same if there was a threat of working class white people were moving near.

But you're right it is mean minded.

You may well be correct. It is, however, whipped up by some pretty blatant racism and xenophobia which is allowed to be peddled in a lot of MSM. I used to give people the benefit of the doubt but I'm afraid that after the Rwanda debacle and the willingness to ship innocent children over there I feel I can't afford to anymore. I'm ashamed of the UK and so, articles like this, surprise, surprise, in the DM just aren't the light reading I come to CCMB for in the morning!

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

If it's racist, there will be a police investigation. What you probably mean, is that the article disagrees with you. And so you label it racist because you know for a long time, you've been able to hide behind that to avoid addressing any of the issues.

What actually is more racist, is the immigration policy we have had for the last couple of decades, which explicitly gives advantages to people from an overwhelmingly white part of the world (within the EU), over those from an overwhelmingly non-white part of the world (the rest of it). That has changed now. Everyone is considered equally, whether from Netherlands or Nigeria.

No system is perfect, but in terms of racism, it is unquestionably the one you presumably support that is more racist.

I thought you were more intelligent than this Mr J to even write that. That's low.

[Vindec]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

That DM article is as racist as they come (so are the BTL comments generally). It's dangerous, mean-spirited, mis-represented, selective, bigoted racism. Written by a white guy for other white guys.

There you go.

[JamesWales]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

I thought you were more intelligent than this Mr J to even write that. That's low.

It's you that labelled an article racist (if so, ring the police, or ring IPSO) it's you who said it's an article written by a white guy for white guys.

It's me who pointed out that it is EU immigration policy that specifically prioritises one group of people over another. Is that not the policy you support then?

People in glass houses and all that.

[Nobody's Rep]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

If it's racist, there will be a police investigation. What you probably mean, is that the article disagrees with you. And so you label it racist because you know for a long time, you've been able to hide behind that to avoid addressing any of the issues.

What actually is more racist, is the immigration policy we have had for the last couple of decades, which explicitly gives advantages to people from an overwhelmingly white part of the world (within the EU), over those from an overwhelmingly non-white part of the world (the rest of it). That has changed now. Everyone is considered equally, whether from Netherlands or Nigeria.

No system is perfect, but in terms of racism, it is unquestionably the one you presumably support that is more racist.

My understanding is we have lost 1.2 million people from the labour market since brexit - not solely as a result of brexit of course and that we now have more vacancies than job seekers and this is impacting the foundation economy ie the ability of health social care retail hospitality leisure etc to recruit more so than the higher level skill jobs although there is a sense that these are in short supply as well

Therefore we don't have enough workforce to go around and as a result the numbers of unpaid carers will grow for example as we can't provide state health and social care services which means they will need to rescue their participation in work to supplement care provided by the state

Part of the answer is to recruit from abroad but this market has shrunk since brexit and even though some of those foundation economy roles are on the shortage occcupationt list they don't meet the salary threshold to enter the country

We need reform in light of brexit and the pandemic to have a proportionate strategy to supply the country with a workforce it needs but we also need to value the lower paid roles more as a society and this may mean we either pay more tax or we redirect what we do pay to different areas to make these jobs more attractive and go beyond the real living wage that they are currently paid in some key worker sectors

Do I have confidence that we have leadership within the UK that gets it do I feck as in the main they are all self serving nose in the trough types of w33kers that are only concerned with personal wealth and their self preservation

[Pearcey3]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

Glover’s views are no more relevant than anybody else’s. He is just a right wing journo. We actually have labour shortages in this country. Still let’s blame immigrants because that’s what right wingers always do.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

A shed load of people who write or reference articles from the daily mail are racist .

People I know , but do not associate with and read that paper are very right wing and suck up the extreme propaganda.....dressed up as reasoned debate .....which is designed to frighten people

No whilst I have no doubt that the majority of people on here can have a sensible chat I am afraid in the real world there are absolutely LOADS of people who might not like being labelled racists but that's exactly what they are .

Did Ron Liddle write for the Daily Mail ?

He should have done

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

I thought the immigration was going to stop after Brexit when we regained control of the borders from the EU.

Yeah .....do you think some people have been stung ?

[Pearcey3]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

A shed load of people who write or reference articles from the daily mail are racist .

People I know , but do not associate with and read that paper are very right wing and suck up the extreme propaganda.....dressed up as reasoned debate .....which is designed to frighten people

No whilst I have no doubt that the majority of people on here can have a sensible chat I am afraid in the real world there are absolutely LOADS of people who might not like being labelled racists but that's exactly what they are .

Did Ron Liddle write for the Daily Mail ?

He should have done

Liddle is The Sun I think. Not that I read the rag.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

Stephen Glover - super-qualified to write such crap.

Evening Standard , Spectator , Daily Mail , Telegraph

Oh come on , he's not got a right wing agenda ! 🙄

[NYCBlue]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

If you post a link to the Daily Mail, you pretty much kill any desire for discourse. I didn't even click on the link.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: There's a huge new migrant issue unfolding. So why isn't there any real debate about THIS one?

If you post a link to the Daily Mail, you pretty much kill any desire for discourse. I didn't even click on the link.

Sensible post/advice. There's been a load of these types of threads lately. I was weak. You are an inspiration :thumbup: