WFH

[JamesWales]

Re: WFH

Just like to add productivity has absolutely not gone down during the pandemic but the lines have definitely been blurred.

How have you got to 4, 8 and 10? It is absolutely better for the environment, people don't need to travel to the office. Massive savings too, as people need less office space. I've covered 8.

People who slack off, always have slacked off.

It's not better for the environment. UK energy demand went up for the first time in a decade during covid and WFH. How you commute is of course the issue; cars are worse than trains which are worse than walking or cycling. We have seen a significant decline in public transport infrastuture and a rise in energy use. It's hard to argue it's positive.

In short, 100 people in one large lit and heated room is MUCH better for the environment than 100 people in individually lit and heated houses.

https://grid.iamkate.com/

Big debate over productivity. Either way, loads of issues irrespective of WFH
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...hours%20worked.

Companies save on office space but pay out in other areas; equiping everyones home, mobile phones, long term lack of creative development etc.

Some interesting bits here: https://www.europeanbusinessreview.eu/page.asp?pid=4793

All of this can be disputed, but i think 100% WFH is very damaging.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: WFH

Just like to add productivity has absolutely not gone down during the pandemic but the lines have definitely been blurred.

How have you got to 4, 8 and 10? It is absolutely better for the environment, people don't need to travel to the office. Massive savings too, as people need less office space. I've covered 8.

People who slack off, always have slacked off.

Mr Wales has form for treating his opinions as if they’re facts.

[JamesWales]

Re: WFH

Mr Wales has form for treating his opinions as if they’re facts.

As usual Bob, you pipe up and say this (with no hint of irony) but I've provided some links there. You haven't.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: WFH

As usual Bob, you pipe up and say this (with no hint of irony) but I've provided some links there. You haven't.

I’ve had my say about home working in the other 349 threads we’ve had on here on the subject - all I’m doing here is saying your list of ten reasons why it is a bad thing is heavy on opinions.

[Rjk]

Re: WFH

As usual Bob, you pipe up and say this (with no hint of irony) but I've provided some links there. You haven't.

he's spot on though

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: WFH

I wish some would accept that certain working conditions suit different people.

Mrs HaB works 3 days a week and does 2 from home. She saves 2 days' rail fare and gains 5 hours a werk that would have been wasted commuting. If she needs to work late it's not a problem, whereas working late in the office creates problems with her being home late. If times are busy she has voluntarily worked extra on a day off to clear a backlog, without pay, something she wouldn't do if she had to pay and commute for the privilige. She doesn't have to be pleasant with workers she wouldn't normally bother with. She doesn't have to do lunch or bother with office parties that she hates. She has some flexibility as well, for example on Wednesday it is my son's sports day. She can go for an hour if she's working from home and make up the time. She'd have to take a morning off otherwise.

[Tito Fuente]

Re: WFH

It's not better for the environment. UK energy demand went up for the first time in a decade during covid and WFH. How you commute is of course the issue; cars are worse than trains which are worse than walking or cycling. We have seen a significant decline in public transport infrastuture and a rise in energy use. It's hard to argue it's positive.

In short, 100 people in one large lit and heated room is MUCH better for the environment than 100 people in individually lit and heated houses.

https://grid.iamkate.com/

Big debate over productivity. Either way, loads of issues irrespective of WFH
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...hours%20worked.

Companies save on office space but pay out in other areas; equiping everyones home, mobile phones, long term lack of creative development etc.

Some interesting bits here: https://www.europeanbusinessreview.eu/page.asp?pid=4793

All of this can be disputed, but i think 100% WFH is very damaging.

Without choosing a side as I think there are pros and cons from working from home: you're definitely doing a lot of heavy lifting in that post to prove some points that cannot be proved.

100 people in one room? How many work environments in the UK would that apply to?

I took a look at the "productivity" link you posted too.

Can you please explain how 'productivity in working hours compared to a national GDP' is a good way of working out that productivity is worse because of working from home? I don't see it.

[JamesWales]

Re: WFH

I’ve had my say about home working in the other 349 threads we’ve had on here on the subject - all I’m doing here is saying your list of ten reasons why it is a bad thing is heavy on opinions.

The whole thread is about opinions Bob, but you pull out the only person who has provided links (on energy use, on productivity and mental health) as the one not backing up his arguments. That's curious.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: WFH

That’s if it’s forced working from home though. Most people now have the flexibility and are still choosing to work from home.

I’d love to see any evidence of 1, 9 and 10.

Almost all the others are solved by the flexibility of the odd day in the office.

What industry are you working in where this isn’t working?

Re 9

In our place definitely noticed people downing tools because they’ve ‘run out of work’ of work at home and not made the journey back into the office to get more.

It’ll all sort itself out in the end but it’s been a hard few months with some not taking their fair share of work

Of course you could pin that down to the company not allocating work correctly

[fingers]

Re: WFH

The business I work for has struggled in telling people who are off sick to NOT WORK from home, but they won't listen. Three people off with Covid at the moment and still answering and writing emails!

[blue matt]

Re: WFH

A few years ago, you were trying to find someone to take over your round when you went on holiday. You were offering just 50% of the invoice as, I think you said, it's your van, your tools and you like making money.

Perhaps you were sat in the sun at Disney Land, having a bud light and laughing that you were getting paid? Human nature after all.

Who cares if they're making their working day more pleasant? Enjoying the sunshine instead of being stuck in the office for most of the daylight hours? Good for them.

you might have missed the point, these people are logged on and taking the piss, not exactly the same as me offering someone 5 ( and a bit ) weeks work

[blue matt]

Re: WFH

These kind of people probably skived in the office environment as well , like you say , always happened

indeed as I said "always happened, always will" but I guess its slightly easier at home

[lardy]

Re: WFH

you might have missed the point, these people are logged on and taking the piss, not exactly the same as me offering someone 5 ( and a bit ) weeks work

Didn't realise you were trying to pull the 50% deal for that long.

That's definitely not taking the piss

[blue matt]

Re: WFH

Didn't realise you were trying to pull the 50% deal for that long.

That's definitely not taking the piss

you are defiantly trying to miss the point now you must be getting desperate

I offer someone some work, we agree the price, both parties are happy with the price, work gets completed, I pay person the money we agreed ( when I am paid ), everyone is happy and the person who did it was very happy with the arrangement and has done it again ( in fact I had 2 people from here who were happy to take the deal aswell )

V's

Someone getting paid to work 8 hours a day ( while logged in at home ) being sat in the garden taking the piss pretending they are still sat the the PC doing work

[blue matt]

Re: WFH

The business I work for has struggled in telling people who are off sick to NOT WORK from home, but they won't listen. Three people off with Covid at the moment and still answering and writing emails!

My Brother collapsed 2 weeks ago, blue lighted to hospital and in over the weekend, Monday morning rolls around and he is back working from his hospital bed, spent 5 hours answering emails and making phone calls

workers work