Quote Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew View Post
But that's the status quo Matt. There has to be a diplomatic end to this. People make comparisons to Poland '39 but there are none. This is a fustercluck. Ukraine and its people will be destroyed. These politicians need to stop waving their dicks at each other.
It is the status quo, yes

but as Option 1 is a no-go, and even if it did work, Putin will know he can march into another country as we won't go with option 2

I pointed out above

so when Russia controls the Ukraine, either by negotiations or by force, they get swallowed up into Russia , guess what, Ukraine has 4 EU countries on its border Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and Romania

lets go back to the Putin invaded Ukraine argument because it didnt want Ukraine to join the EU and Nato and have a EU / NATO member on its doorstep, remember that argument about provocation ? ? ?