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  • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

    Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
    No, I'm not. Movement is less free. There are more checks on some goods, passports are generally stamped and people have lost the automatic right to live within the EU. These are facts and I understand why for some people they were reasons to vote Remain six years ago and why they may still be bitter now.

    But that doesn't mean that other issues cannot cause delays, or that problems didn't exist before, or that new problems can't be solved, or that new opportunites can't emerge outside the EU, or that all of the issues now are necessarily needed.

    Problems come, problems go. This default position of many to kinda fold their arms and say, "well thats Brexit!" it's neither helpful nor in most cases truthful. Much better to try and find solutions.

    It's also just one of many many ways of assessing the UK's position since 2016, and I would suggest there are more important ones. The optics for the EU's economies are generally worse than ours at the moment. (not Brexit related, I would add, although the EU's stance on Russia is questionable)

    Incidentally, if there were queues like we saw two weeks ago every week, I absolutely would largely blame brexit - I asked Jon1959 if he was willing to bet on the chaos continuing, and he declined. I think it would have been fun (and I was a little worried!)
    Thing is - it is absolutely not in my interest (my pension fund!) or my kids' future interest for Brexit not to work. For that reason I will acknowledge and welcome good Brexit news if and when it comes along. In a similar fashion, I would expect those who supported Brexit to acknowledge where things are not going well, where corrective action may be needed, where some re-visiting of the agreement alongside EU partners would help (not the way it's being done with the NI protocol!)- and there seems to be an almost evangelistic reluctance to do that (not you, necessarily!).

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    • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

      Hers is my take.
      Blighty left the EU Jan 2020..bang! along comes Covid 19. I didn't travel anywhere outside of my EU country during that time.
      Blighty leaving the EU meant that if i had left my country i would not have been allowed back in again as a British passport holder.
      I decided to become a citizen of my EU country (took two weeks) and i can now travel to any schengen country without a passport.
      And of course being dual nationality i won't have any bother getting into Blighty. Best of both worlds

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      • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

        Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
        No, I'm not. Movement is less free. There are more checks on some goods, passports are generally stamped and people have lost the automatic right to live within the EU. These are facts and I understand why for some people they were reasons to vote Remain six years ago and why they may still be bitter now.

        But that doesn't mean that other issues cannot cause delays, or that problems didn't exist before, or that new problems can't be solved, or that new opportunites can't emerge outside the EU, or that all of the issues now are necessarily needed.

        Problems come, problems go. This default position of many to kinda fold their arms and say, "well thats Brexit!" it's neither helpful nor in most cases truthful. Much better to try and find solutions.

        It's also just one of many many ways of assessing the UK's position since 2016, and I would suggest there are more important ones. The optics for the EU's economies are generally worse than ours at the moment. (not Brexit related, I would add, although the EU's stance on Russia is questionable)

        Incidentally, if there were queues like we saw two weeks ago every week, I absolutely would largely blame brexit - I asked Jon1959 if he was willing to bet on the chaos continuing, and he declined. I think it would have been fun (and I was a little worried!)
        Of course there are other reasons for delay than just post-Brexit passport and customs checks. I said that several times further up this thread - as have others - mainly spikes in passenger and freight vehicles and a temporary shortage of French border officials which may have been a factor for 2-3 hours on the first day. In combination with the Brexit delays (which by themselves may have created significant queues and congestion) they created days of chaos.

        But you keep denying that Brexit is a factor - in the face of public statements from the Port of Dover Chief Executive, transport and travel experts and Jacob Rees-Mogg. I am surprised if, contrary to expert and insider predictions, the Dover problems have gone away. Most were predicting up to 2 years of continued intermittent blockages leading to significant delays.

        Your 'bet' was nonsensical (unless all the same factors applied in subsequent days to the same extent, which was never going to happen) so I decided not to play. Sorry to disappoint.

        'Problems come, problems go.... Much better to try and find solutions'. I'm sure there are thousands of people out there on both sides of the channel looking for solutions - increased capacity, enhanced technology, greater numbers of staff cramming into those 15 booths and process/procedural changes that shave seconds of the process. Unfortunately none of those thousands of people are here on the CCMB. In the absence of any relevant responsibility or expertise, we will have to content ourselves with banter and comment - some of it critical. Again, sorry to disappoint.

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        • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

          Originally posted by ToTaL ITK View Post
          Hers is my take.
          Blighty left the EU Jan 2020..bang! along comes Covid 19. I didn't travel anywhere outside of my EU country during that time.
          Blighty leaving the EU meant that if i had left my country i would not have been allowed back in again as a British passport holder.
          I decided to become a citizen of my EU country (took two weeks) and i can now travel to any schengen country without a passport.
          And of course being dual nationality i won't have any bother getting into Blighty. Best of both worlds
          I'm now the only one of the 5 people in my immediate family including my sister that has no entitlement to an EU passport, and I'm the one that has always banged on complaining about Brexit the most. Bloody annoying!.

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          • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

            Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
            Here we go!

            "Freedom of movement" is something of a colloquialism. It didn't mean there were never checks anywhere. Some countries are outside of Schengen, so there was. You always needed your passport to fly abroad etc and it was always checked. Now it is stamped, but it needn't be. Thats a choice (some) EU countries have made I believe. They don't have to. Mines been stamped twice. It took no longer at all. A second at most.

            Even if all the queues were caused by Brexit (they weren't) as opposed to anything else, they didn't occur on the second weekend of the first full summer holiday post covid and leaving the EU, which rather suggests that if people put their minds to it, then whatever problems are created can be solved within a week anyway.

            It's hardly the most compelling reason to have remained in the EU is it.
            Are you really saying, 'the queues weren't caused by brexit they were caused by it being busy'? It's been busy at Dover before James, pure cope.

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            • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

              Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
              No, I'm not. Movement is less free. There are more checks on some goods, passports are generally stamped and people have lost the automatic right to live within the EU. These are facts and I understand why for some people they were reasons to vote Remain six years ago and why they may still be bitter now.

              But that doesn't mean that other issues cannot cause delays, or that problems didn't exist before, or that new problems can't be solved, or that new opportunites can't emerge outside the EU, or that all of the issues now are necessarily needed.

              Problems come, problems go. This default position of many to kinda fold their arms and say, "well thats Brexit!" it's neither helpful nor in most cases truthful. Much better to try and find solutions.

              It's also just one of many many ways of assessing the UK's position since 2016, and I would suggest there are more important ones. The optics for the EU's economies are generally worse than ours at the moment. (not Brexit related, I would add, although the EU's stance on Russia is questionable)

              Incidentally, if there were queues like we saw two weeks ago every week, I absolutely would largely blame brexit - I asked Jon1959 if he was willing to bet on the chaos continuing, and he declined. I think it would have been fun (and I was a little worried!)
              Waffle

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              • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

                Originally posted by Eric Cartman View Post
                Waffle
                I shall enjoy one at the Wales game in Brussels in September, if I ever get there of course.

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                • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

                  Originally posted by Hilts View Post
                  I saw this earlier on the guardian, then one of my favourite middle class lefty friends on FB posted it at lunch and so I knew one of you lot would be all over it soon.

                  My goodness, an anti brexit article in the guardian using cherry picked statistics that even at a quick glance through contains numerous inaccuracies.

                  I'll expect to read a balanced a view on the koran by T.Robinson before I read a balanced assessment of Brexit from there. It's pointless stressing this to you guys by now, if you are determined to only read the bad news, much of which isn't accurately presented either.

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                  • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

                    Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                    I saw this earlier on the guardian, then one of my favourite middle class lefty friends on FB posted it at lunch and so I knew one of you lot would be all over it soon.

                    My goodness, an anti brexit article in the guardian using cherry picked statistics that even at a quick glance through contains numerous inaccuracies.

                    I'll expect to read a balanced a view on the koran by T.Robinson before I read a balanced assessment of Brexit from there. It's pointless stressing this to you guys by now, if you are determined to only read the bad news, much of which isn't accurately presented either.


                    Fair play, James. A weaker man would have given up trying to educate us all by now!

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                    • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

                      Originally posted by Swiss Peter View Post


                      Fair play, James. A weaker man would have given up trying to educate us all by now!
                      You know you are being played, thats the frustrating thing!

                      I literally posted up data yesterday showing the Eurozone manufacturing sector is in recession (the UK's isnt) and no one cares.

                      Yet, an article in which, wait for it, the anecdotal comments from the esteemed Kenneth Mackenzie who has run a high-end men’s casualwear business called 6876, based in London since 1995 wets everyones knickers.

                      F**k me, it's like an article on crime in the UK that ignores crime data, but then interviews Mrs Goggins from Pontyspunky who had her pants stolen from her washing line last month.

                      Anything to tell the readers what they want to believe! Does my tits in!

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                      • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

                        Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                        I shall enjoy one at the Wales game in Brussels in September, if I ever get there of course.
                        there is no fecking way you are getting into Brussels

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                        • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

                          The lady from Cowbridge made me laugh.

                          'We are not the envy of the world anymore, we are the crackpot aunty in the corner that everyone laughs at'

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                          • Re: Another Brexit Bonus

                            "We are Great Britain and we will be getting Greater."

                            😂😂😂😂😂

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