Transfer- the emiliano sala story- new 9 part podcast on bbc sounds

[Rjk]

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Just listened to the first two episodes.

So, of the £15m transfer fee , the McKay fella gets £1.5 m

Who sanctioned this ?

Why did CAS go against the club ?

has there been a decision on the CAS case then?

[The Lone Gunman]

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So, of the £15m transfer fee , the McKay fella gets £1.5 m

Who sanctioned this ?

Why did CAS go against the club ?

Mark McKay, Willie McKay's son, apparently had a mandate from Nantes to sell Emiliano Sala to a UK club for a 10% fee.

CAS hasn't gone against the club - yet.

FIFA ordered Cardiff City to pay Nantes £5.3 million (the first installment of the transfer fee), having concluded that Sala was a Cardiff player at the time of his death. Cardiff subsequently appealed against that decision with CAS. The result of that appeal has not yet been released.

[TWGL1]

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Mark McKay, Willie McKay's son, apparently had a mandate from Nantes to sell Emiliano Sala to a UK club for a 10% fee.

CAS hasn't gone against the club - yet.

FIFA ordered Cardiff City to pay Nantes £5.3 million (the first installment of the transfer fee), having concluded that Sala was a Cardiff player at the time of his death. Cardiff subsequently appealed against that decision with CAS. The result of that appeal has not yet been released.

Ah ok, thanks , here is a Daily Mail article on the latest position.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10570039/Cardiffs-CAS-appeal-against-paying-15m-Nantes-Emiliano-Sala-begin-Thursday.html

[North Cardiff Blue]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p...n=share-mobile

Haven't seen this mentioned yet but they certainly advertising it a lot at the moment.

When is 3 and 4 coming on?

[Ninja]

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I am starting to think that we should not be held to ransom over this transfer fee.
While I understand that agreements in principle were made etc, why should Nantes benefit to the tune of £15mil for a player that cost them €1mil.
This tragedy was not the fault of CCFC, any more so than Nantes ultimately.

I feel CAS will make us pay them something, but hopefully nowhere near the amount agreed in the transfer fee.
After all, the player cost them €1mil ffs, whilst his life of course should be considered invaluable, the greed approach is not the correct one given that everybody involved has suffered.

Henderson should be made to pay a lot of compensation although he would no doubt plead poverty. He could well be out of prison soon too. If he does half on good behaviour, if that's allowed, then later this month quite possibly!

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I am starting to think that we should not be held to ransom over this transfer fee.
While I understand that agreements in principle were made etc, why should Nantes benefit to the tune of £15mil for a player that cost them €1mil.
This tragedy was not the fault of CCFC, any more so than Nantes ultimately.

I feel CAS will make us pay them something, but hopefully nowhere near the amount agreed in the transfer fee.
After all, the player cost them €1mil ffs, whilst his life of course should be considered invaluable, the greed approach is not the correct one given that everybody involved has suffered.

Henderson should be made to pay a lot of compensation although he would no doubt plead poverty. He could well be out of prison soon too. If he does half on good behaviour, if that's allowed, then later this month quite possibly!

What they paid and sold him for won't come into it, we agreed to pay it.

It's down to who owned him, and according to most who have reviewed the case it was still Nantes due to a technicality with the paperwork.

It’s harsh but that’s what happens if we are proved to be the legal owner we pay, if not we pay nothing.

[The Lone Gunman]

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I am starting to think that we should not be held to ransom over this transfer fee. While I understand that agreements in principle were made etc, why should Nantes benefit to the tune of £15mil for a player that cost them €1mil. This tragedy was not the fault of CCFC, any more so than Nantes ultimately.

I feel CAS will make us pay them something, but hopefully nowhere near the amount agreed in the transfer fee.
After all, the player cost them €1mil ffs, whilst his life of course should be considered invaluable, the greed approach is not the correct one given that everybody involved has suffered.

Out of interest, what username did you post under before re-registering last month as Ninja? I ask because, with all due respect, the above post would suggest you have absolutely no idea how professional football transfers work.

[Ninja]

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Out of interest, what username did you post under before re-registering last month as Ninja? I ask because, with all due respect, the above post would suggest you have absolutely no idea how professional football transfers work.

This is not a suggestion related to how transfers work. What I am suggesting is that if we are deemed liable for a fee, it should not be anywhere near the £15mil Nantes are after.

If you take the player himself out of the equation and look at it purely from a monetary sense, CCFC gained nothing whatsoever.
Nantes lost a player that cost them €1mil, and would have scored more goals for them in the years that followed, but was way over-valued at £15mil to begin with, and wasn't exactly going to fire Nantes to Champs League success etc.

I would suggest that if we are made to pay compensation to Nantes, it should be closer to £5mil than the £15mil agreed given we never even got to have the lad step onto a pitch for us. I'm trying to look at it in more of a subjective manner as opposed to assuming we should owe them £15mil.

I've posted here occasionally in the past, but until recently, not for many many years. I'm normally a viewer far more than a poster. However, the shenanigans of pre-season and a bit more free time drew me in for a bit

[Rjk]

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This is not a suggestion related to how transfers work. What I am suggesting is that if we are deemed liable for a fee, it should not be anywhere near the £15mil Nantes are after.

If you take the player himself out of the equation and look at it purely from a monetary sense, CCFC gained nothing whatsoever.
Nantes lost a player that cost them €1mil, and would have scored more goals for them in the years that followed, but was way over-valued at £15mil to begin with, and wasn't exactly going to fire Nantes to Champs League success etc.

I would suggest that if we are made to pay compensation to Nantes, it should be closer to £5mil than the £15mil agreed given we never even got to have the lad step onto a pitch for us. I'm trying to look at it in more of a subjective manner as opposed to assuming we should owe them £15mil.

I've posted here occasionally in the past, but until recently, not for many many years. I'm normally a viewer far more than a poster. However, the shenanigans of pre-season and a bit more free time drew me in for a bit

either he dies when he was a Cardiff player, in which case we owe the full fee, or he was a Nantes player, in which case we wouldn't pay anything is my limited understanding of it.

I'm not sure why we would pay a lower figure to Nantes

[Ninja]

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either he dies when he was a Cardiff player, in which case we owe the full fee, or he was a Nantes player, in which case we wouldn't pay anything is my limited understanding of it.

I'm not sure why we would pay a lower figure to Nantes

It's not that black and white though is it, considering the very unfortunate circumstances involved, which is obviously why CAS are involved to begin with.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a compensation package somewhere in between could be suggested if Cardiff are considered liable.

[Rjk]

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It's not that black and white though is it, considering the very unfortunate circumstances involved, which is obviously why CAS are involved to begin with.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a compensation package somewhere in between could be suggested if Cardiff are considered liable.

I really don't see how that is possible.
unless it isn't possible to determine if the transfer was complete or not.

is this something you've read somewhere or just a scenario you've invented yourself?

[TWGL1]

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It's not that black and white though is it, considering the very unfortunate circumstances involved, which is obviously why CAS are involved to begin with.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that a compensation package somewhere in between could be suggested if Cardiff are considered liable.

I think both clubs should look at this post …. It’s probably the best outcome for both Cardiff and Nantes. Sadly as third parties are involved it’s just not going to happen.

[Ninja]

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I really don't see how that is possible.
unless it isn't possible to determine if the transfer was complete or not.

is this something you've read somewhere or just a scenario you've invented yourself?

It's common sense mate. If Cardiff are deemed liable they will fight for a lesser payment for sure given the circumstances.
We'll see what the outcome is in due course.

[The Lone Gunman]

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This is not a suggestion related to how transfers work. What I am suggesting is that if we are deemed liable for a fee, it should not be anywhere near the £15mil Nantes are after.

If you take the player himself out of the equation and look at it purely from a monetary sense, CCFC gained nothing whatsoever. Nantes lost a player that cost them €1mil, and would have scored more goals for them in the years that followed, but was way over-valued at £15mil to begin with, and wasn't exactly going to fire Nantes to Champs League success etc.

As I said before, you don't seem to grasp how football transfers work.

Do you reckon Cardiff should ask Norwich if they can give back the £11 million Warnock paid for Josh Murphy? After all, he cost Norwich nothing, was clearly over-valued at £11 million and CCFC subsequently gained nothing from the transfer.

[Ninja]

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As I said before, you don't seem to grasp how football transfers work.

Do you reckon Cardiff should ask Norwich if they can give back the £11 million Warnock paid for Josh Murphy? After all, he cost Norwich nothing, was clearly over-valued at £11 million and CCFC subsequently gained nothing from the transfer.

I've just made my points above, very different set of circumstances indeed!
Cardiff got the player!