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What a crass postOriginally Posted by life on mars
The cop who was in charge stood outside the court when they were released,
said along the lines of it is a sad day when the guilty walk free and there is no justice for the victim.
When asked if they are looking for someone else he said no.
Yes it's utter bollocks
Tony Paris had a minor conviction from shoplifting
We all know why those boys were arrested , it's because they were black and the police had no leads
Lived and worked down the bay for a period and always looked up and thought about this case when I passed the place on James st. Shocking all round. There was a good podcast on the BBC about it not too long ago.
I hate to burst your bubble Sludgey but the Actie's were quite big drug dealers back in the day (allegedly). I take it as a Bridgend (?) boy you never had any dealings with them? I knew Ron Actie when I was a teenager. Him and his cousin John were a pair of aggressive bullying thugs. Nothing like today's drug dealers of course, but they had a very scary crew to back them up. Woe betides anyone who sold ganga in Cardiff without their "permission". The police were after them and saw this murder of way of putting them away and taking them off the streets. All totally wrong the way the Old Bill went around things, of course. Very, very wrong. Sometimes however, if you play with fire you get burnt....very, very badly in this case. Oh, and the police did have leads, but chose to ignore them
They had nothing to do with this murder they were nicked by corrupt coppers
If someone steals cars you don't charge him with gbh
Yusef Abdulahi had 13 alibis that testified he was working the night of the murder. Now, you might be able to persuade one, possibly two people, to act as alibis who perhaps weren't genuine alibis - but thirteen???
Someone in this thread said that John Actie was "charismatic" - he wasn't. For the most part of his early adult life he was a bully. No doubt he's mellowed now, age tends to do that to a person.
When he rightly gets emotional in podcast interviews, I think some of that emotion stems from knowing he took the wrong life choices.
The trajectory he was already on was only going to cause heartache to those close to him and unhappiness for himself. He was a victim of a huge miscarriage of justice. However, throughout his criminal life he left a trail of victims too.
If we are to have a just society someone who goes shoplifting gets caught , charged and convicted with shoplifting
Not murder
I don't know why you are replying to my post in the manner you have?
Shoplifting, where did I mention shoplifting?
Sure he and plenty of other docks boys were no angels, quite a few of them used to turn up to city matches back in the day. The police saw John as a gangster and wanted to take him out.
Oh, I've no doubt they wanted him out, he even told his solicitor right from the start that the police's intention was to frame him.
He fleetingly mentioned in the James English podcast that as a young boy his father used to take him to play rugby.
He was actually quite modest in not dwelling on playing rugby.
I first met John Actie when I was 11 and he was a year younger. We played together in the same Cardiff schools rugby team (David Bishop was captain).
Bearing in mind he was a year younger than all of us (it makes a difference at that age) he was the biggest player in the team. He was fantastic at rugby, a toss up between him and Bishop as to who was the most influential player in the team.
He was quiet off the field and never got into any fights on the pitch either. He was just unplayable at that age.
Sadly for him, the following season his father died.
As he said, his father's death was where he pinpointed it all began to go wrong for him.
I mentioned it
You have said in your post that actie and abdulahi were no angels . There's no doubt about that .
But even if someone is an armed robber then he should serve time for that or at the lesser end , burglary or even lesser , shoplifting
The problem with your post in my opinion is you are suggesting they were going to get done for something as they were on the wrong side of the law 🤔
Well that may be the case but it's not justice , if they were guilty of murder ....which they were not ......give em life
Could you please highlight where I said Yusef Abdulahi was no angel? On the contrary, I was implying he had sufficient alibis not to have been charged in the first place. And no, I didn't suggest that they were going to get done for something (the murder?) because they were on the wrong side of the law....." He was a victim of a huge miscarriage of justice." is what I said.
The fact that he was a bully is irrefutable. Perhaps as a Bridgend lad, you would have been unaware of this. He used to have a flat a stone's throw from the Carpenter's Arms in Rumney. I lived a 5-minute walk away from him, I'd seen first-hand accounts of his actions.
Wasn't John Actie related to a former Cardiff City player who ended up in prison?
Leonne Jean?
You might say that but I couldn't possibly comment. My question was genuine as I'm unsure because not everything you are told is correct. As the poster to which I was responding knew something of the family I thought he would know.
I am confused by this and other posts in this thread . We are not talking about any of the Cardiff 5 , originally , going to prison for assault or threatening behaviour . We know that's not the way to be . We know that scaring people or robbing them in the street or stealing cars or shoplifting is not good and people need to be held responsible .
But in this case we are talking murder here , those men being framed and possibly going to prison not for 6 months but for 30 years.
I don't understand why anyone is bringing their past up . Even in court before a jury you are tried on your existing offence . We know they had a history but that really isn't relevant to them being framed , which is what this case is about .
Rest In Peace Tony Paris
CCMB kangaroo court in full effect.
Regardless of their past, getting framed for a murder you did not commit by a corrupt police force is different level to any indiscretions they may have got up to previously.
RIP Tony Paris
Its important for those who may not have had a great experience running into them outside of the murder .. My thoughts are with law abiding folk and victims of crime .
Spot on. I agree with you 100% here
They were victims of a crime. Their past behaviour has nothing to do with what happened to them at the hands of SWP (That's not the socialist workers party, before you start getting excited) But going on your posting history, it's quite obvious that is what you're insinuating.
Karma maybe? Or don't you believe in it?
If 'Karma' does exist, then it was a bit disproportionate on that occasion.
No karma is like religion , complete nonsense
This was the biggest miscarriage of justice in British criminal history. And the corruption trial of those coppers was also the biggest ever corruption trial .
The whole thing was a disgrace .
If you were pissed and crashed a car would u think it was fair if the police also charged you with running over and killing an old age pensioner even though that was untrue and it was just the car you damaged ?
How would you feel ?
I would be pissed off especially if I did 3 years in jail for something I didn't do
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