Reply With QuoteWell, that’s maybe more of a shock to me than the sacking was.Originally Posted by dml1954
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We're not the only team that pays them though are we.
We had to sign more players than all the other clubs because Vinny and the Chuckle Brothers wanted the wage bill reduced.
Well, that’s maybe more of a shock to me than the sacking was.
The wage had to be reduced though , due to mitigating factors outside of football which effected our owner’s interests more than most.
The debt was around Ł90m last time I looked. You’re not one of these fans who moan about the debt but also moan about the lack of spending are you ?
And you're not one of those fans that think our debt isn't at the level it is because we make bad decision and compound it by repeatedly doing so but insisting we don't need a football man on the board.
the wage bill had to be reduced massively because we don't get parachute payments any more, and we have to meet FFP obligations.
the real questions should be why weren't we able to compete at this level when we had a massive wage bill in comparison to most others.
They pick manager after manager and seem to back them less and less while taking little blame for the fact they installed them in the first place.
Pick manager without having a football man on the board, give him a limited budget, sack him and throw him under the bus and start again. It's like Groundhog Day at Cardiff City and that is down to the board.
Because we saw fit that managers like Neil Harris and Mick McCarthy were the men to help us compete before the money ran out.
Also to call our efforts to stay in the Premier League half hearted would be a gross understatement.
We won't progress until this board is gone or shaken up greatly. If they don't give a damn why should the fans?
On 17 players.
If we were the only championship club with this level of debt then perhaps I would consider that a factor, however, as we are not then no. Bad decisions are made at almost every Championship clubs and a few League 1 clubs as well.
If wages alone almost exceed a clubs total income then what are the clubs hierarchy expected to do ?
Vinny pays money every month. Didn't you know. Mehmet tells anybody within earshot.
What I'd like the media to ask is whether he feels he would have accumulated so much debt without decisions like installing managers like Harris and McCarthy that made little sense to anybody but the 3 that make decision at our club.
Other clubs make bad decisions. I'm not concerned about them. I'm concerned about our owners and board at least learning from their mistakes. They're showing little sign of doing though. If anything the rashness is getting worse along with our league position.
17 players yes, but the club could have limited it to 10 and used the U-23’s and saved a goalkeeper
The football we've played this season isn't better than that we played under Warnock when we got promoted, it's not better than that we played under Harris when we made the play-offs, and it's not better than that we played under McCarthy when he first took charge. It is better than the total dross we played at the start of last season, but that really is damning with faint praise.
he's also bonkers..........I'd have him too saying that
I’m not concerned at all about the clubs debt , it’s not my money, that being said all clubs are in huge amounts of debt. At least we only have one major debtor.
And the main factor will be if he still doesn't want it all back.
He isn't any spring chicken. If he was to snuff it tomorrow his sons or whoever takes over his business operations may see it very differently.
Quite possibly that may happen , TBF , something similar appears to be happening at Leicester City.
I wanted him gone at the end of last season. He may turn in to a good manager, I personally doubt it, but he will have to take a long hard look at how he comes across and if the rumours are to be believed, how he interacts with the players. When he called out Isaak Davies last year, he showed his true colours.
Good for you! In this instance I give you full respect for bowing to his superior intellect and knowledge. Very grown up if I may say so Dave 👍
We have the 21st most shots in the league, the 24th most shots on target in the league, the 23rd most shots in the box, the 20th most shots in the 6 yard box, and the 4th most shots outside the box, because we don't create anything inside it.
Our attack under Morison was pitiful. We are one of the worst sides in the league going forwards and we create less than almost every side.
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Yes, I said on Twitterthis morning that I’d have had no problem with him being sacked after the Swansea game and, as you say, the Isaak Davies episode was shocking (if he was prepared to say that in public it makes you wonder what was said in private), but Tan and co were, seemingly, okay with all of that and backed him to the hilt I’d say through the summer when you consider the Robinson fee only to then sack him so soon after - the timing, not so much the sacking, seems barmy to me.
Ouch. That’s savage.
I'm not big on stats, but there's no arguing with that really!
Me neither but when the stats back up what you feel, there's no hiding from it.
And when thy show that fool DML is talking nonsense that’s a bonus too
I just know that they’ll give the job to Hudson as he is available and cheap. He may be fine, and I was OK with Morison having the job, but it just seems like such a depressing cycle.
Warnock was the last appointment that got me excited. Either side of that we have had Slade (who I’d never heard of), Harris who was as much of a joke as he was uninspiring and Mick who was completely left field and turned out that way.
If Hudson gets it they may as well have just stuck with Morison.
As we have put together a squad of free transfers, I just can’t see us splashing out now on a manager with a successful track record. :-(
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