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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Not odd, because big pharma showered the media with hundreds of millions of dollars. Same with the research institutions.
    I know you only use source documents so posting the evidence that big pharma showered the media with hundreds of millions of dollars should be a doddle!

  2. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    I know you only use source documents so posting the evidence that big pharma showered the media with hundreds of millions of dollars should be a doddle!
    It's about time you developed some skills.

  3. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's about time you developed some skills.
    Register a new id and pretend I agree with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    There is no way that you know children (plural) who don't to school and adults (plural) who don't go out because they are still scared of covid.

    DHOTYA contender.
    Social Services do :

    100,000 kids have almost entirely disappeared from education since schools returned last year. The existence of
    these so called “ghost children” is nothing short of a national disaster.*
    These children are at risk of abuse after failing to come back to school. The tragic case of five-year-old Arthur
    Labinjo-Hughes, who was cruelly poisoned then beaten to death by his parents, is a painful case in point. Gang-
    related and other safeguarding risks abound when children disappear from schools. This has been confirmed by
    charities who work with these children who have seen an alarming spike in safeguarding referrals this year.

  5. #55

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    One thing for sure...we will get to the bottom of this conspiracy on a CCFC forum

  6. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    There are a significant amount of eminent scientists, scientific advisors and peers who had the opposite opinion, but were not given the same platform to give their views , and they should have been even if you or me didn’t agree with them. Don’t you think that was odd in a supposedly democratic society?
    Edit yet they gave a philanthropist like Bill Gates literally thousands of hours air time.
    That argument doesn't wash in these days of social media. Dissenting scientists can out their views online and there will be a lot of people who think like you do who will find it and try to "spread the word". Also, Dr Malhotra, who is a convincing advocate for anti vaccine views, has appeared on mainstream media - the problem as I see it is that there aren't many as authentic sounding as him around.

  7. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's about time you developed some skills.
    Has someone turned the irony dial up to 11 in this thread or something?

  8. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Social Services do :

    100,000 kids have almost entirely disappeared from education since schools returned last year. The existence of
    these so called “ghost children” is nothing short of a national disaster.*
    These children are at risk of abuse after failing to come back to school. The tragic case of five-year-old Arthur
    Labinjo-Hughes, who was cruelly poisoned then beaten to death by his parents, is a painful case in point. Gang-
    related and other safeguarding risks abound when children disappear from schools. This has been confirmed by
    charities who work with these children who have seen an alarming spike in safeguarding referrals this year.
    Does this have anything to do with these children you supposedly know, or are you just virtual signalling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Does this have anything to do with these children you supposedly know, or are you just virtual signalling?
    Does the post about children going missing in the educational system concern you at all ?

  10. #60

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    Does the post about children going missing in the educational system concern you at all ?
    I'll give you the same answer I gave you the last time you replied to me (thanks for taking me off ignore btw!)

    Why don't you take this up with lifeonmars? He's the one claiming to know kids still off school because they're scared of covid. If you're worried about child welfare, get him to do something about it (he won't, as he's making it up).

    Otherwise, it just looks like you're sniping a poster you don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I'll give you the same answer I gave you the last time you replied to me (thanks for taking me off ignore btw!)

    Why don't you take this up with lifeonmars? He's the one claiming to know kids still off school because they're scared of covid. If you're worried about child welfare, get him to do something about it (he won't, as he's making it up).

    Otherwise, it just looks like you're sniping a poster you don't like.
    I don’t know you to dislike , I don’t agree with a few of your posts but you’re anonymous, so I can’t dislike you:

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    I don’t know you to dislike , I don’t agree with a few of your posts but you’re anonymous, so I can’t dislike you:
    I quite like Lardy, but one thing I noticed is he never learns from his mistakes, and he jumps onto the next topic without refining any of his thought processes. Russia collusion was a classic, he never questioned how he got it so wrong, instead he just carried on using the same sources of information as though noting had happened!

  13. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I quite like Lardy, but one thing I noticed is he never learns from his mistakes, and he jumps onto the next topic without refining any of his thought processes. Russia collusion was a classic, he never questioned how he got it so wrong, instead he just carried on using the same sources of information as though noting had happened!
    You on the other hand have never been wrong about anything

  14. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    You on the other hand have never been wrong about anything
    I feel like I’m in the Truman Show and a new director has asked for the cast crank up the irony. This thread has been bombarded with some hilarious takes.

  15. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    I feel like I’m in the Truman Show and a new director has asked for the cast crank up the irony. This thread has been bombarded with some hilarious takes.
    You really are living in a simulation, you just haven't worked it out yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You really are living in a simulation, you just haven't worked it out yet!
    Some people will never work it out , fine, but others have a right to question , and always will.

  17. #67

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You really are living in a simulation, you just haven't worked it out yet!
    K hun x
    Let me know when you work it out, unless I see Organ’s cryptic post about it before you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    K hun x
    Let me know when you work it out, unless I see Organ’s cryptic post about it before you do.
    Do you believe in God?

  19. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Do you believe in God?
    Nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Nope
    Have you analysed what religion is, the role it plays, the effect it had/has on society, and the reason why you don't believe the narrative?

  21. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Have you analysed what religion is, the role it plays, the effect it had/has on society, and the reason why you don't believe the narrative?
    Religion and conspiracies aren’t comparable though. Someone who believes in god or gods can’t prove their existence. And as a non believer I can’t prove them wrong. Religion is all about faith and opinions. Both believing in it and not believing it.

    Someone arguing the world is flat can be disproven with evidence that it’s actually round.

    Someone who doesn’t believe in climate change can be shown increases in temperature, higher levels of CO2, lesser ice coverage, etc.

    As this thread started out, I believe the summer heatwave was the main cause of abnormally high deaths because there is data that shows more people died on the hotter days.

    I believe the universe began with the Big Bang. There’s evidence and science to back up the theory that the Big Bang occurred. There’s nothing to prove or disprove if the Big Bang itself was a naturally occurring event or if a higher power willed it to happen. All I have is faith in my judgment there isn’t a god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Religion and conspiracies aren’t comparable though. Someone who believes in god or gods can’t prove their existence. And as a non believer I can’t prove them wrong. Religion is all about faith and opinions. Both believing in it and not believing it.

    Someone arguing the world is flat can be disproven with evidence that it’s actually round.

    Someone who doesn’t believe in climate change can be shown increases in temperature, higher levels of CO2, lesser ice coverage, etc.

    As this thread started out, I believe the summer heatwave was the main cause of abnormally high deaths because there is data that shows more people died on the hotter days.

    I believe the universe began with the Big Bang. There’s evidence and science to back up the theory that the Big Bang occurred. There’s nothing to prove or disprove if the Big Bang itself was a naturally occurring event or if a higher power willed it to happen. All I have is faith in my judgment there isn’t a god.
    | In the past 25 weeks we have had 13,514 more deaths than we would expect for the time of year if the chance of dying was the same as pre-pandemic.

    �� Latest 4 weeks, deaths were 8.8%, or 3,730 deaths higher than what you would expect based on pre-pandemic death rates.

    Looking at deaths from all causes, over the past 25 weeks deaths are above expectation for all age groups, except those aged 10-14.

    The largest percentages above expectation are those aged 35 to 59.

    Younger have fewer deaths so small fluctuations can impact percentages.

    Excluding deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate we see that there are fewer deaths than you would expect among those aged 75 to 89.

    The highest % of deaths above average with Covid not mentioned on the death certificate are those aged 45 to 54.
    Not sure if that’s heat related?
    Link here

    https://twitter.com/statsjamie/statu...c-5U91svMN4fjQ

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    Not sure how that’s relevant to what I said but okay.

    Again, as I said before, heat isn’t the only thing that kills people. However during an abnormally hot month we had an abnormally high number of deaths. Abnormally high deaths that peaked in line with the abnormally high temperature peaking too.
    Do you not think the extra deaths during the summer should be attributed to the heatwave?

    As mentioned previously in the thread, the NHS isn’t operating anywhere close to its pre pandemic efficiency or quality. I’ve not got the numbers but if I recall, we haven’t had a single month below the pre pandemic excess deaths rate since early 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canton Kev View Post
    Not sure how that’s relevant to what I said but okay.

    Again, as I said before, heat isn’t the only thing that kills people. However during an abnormally hot month we had an abnormally high number of deaths. Abnormally high deaths that peaked in line with the abnormally high temperature peaking too.
    Do you not think the extra deaths during the summer should be attributed to the heatwave?

    As mentioned previously in the thread, the NHS isn’t operating anywhere close to its pre pandemic efficiency or quality. I’ve not got the numbers but if I recall, we haven’t had a single month below the pre pandemic excess deaths rate since early 2020.
    In the summer I’m sure the heat would have attributed to a higher dearth rate than a cooler summer , absolutely, but the link posted suggests other mitigating factors, what’s your view on them particularly ages 45-54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TWGL1 View Post
    In the summer I’m sure the heat would have attributed to a higher dearth rate than a cooler summer , absolutely, but the link posted suggests other mitigating factors, what’s your view on them particularly ages 45-54.
    Here is the statistical information that your twitter source has reinterpreted.

    https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9

    Page 3 shows the path of excess deaths by week during the last few years. You can filter it by age group and sex. It shows massive peaks which triggered lockdowns which massively reduced and then for a period took those deaths below seasonal norms.

    These are for England but these patterns are similar for all the countries which reacted to exponential growths in deaths before vaccines were widely available on the advice of their medical experts.

    Believe what you want about how the virus was managed, including thinking it was mostly like a cold for most (in all it's mutations presumably) but the data paints a different picture on its virulence across the age groups at its height.

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