Mental Health Amongst The Homeless

[Jordi Culé]

Christ I don't know where to start

You think that the homeless charities do WELL out of funding from the council ?

Are you taking the piss ? The council fund the voluntary sector because they know they deal with people that very often won't deal with the council or are simply not a priority

It's not a village fete out there and money isn't thrown around like confetti

The City Council every Xmas put money into getting people off the streets . It's done to make the city look good . Because if they were serious about it they would it into the new year when the weather is often worse .

The City Council funds voluntary sector agencies because it means they can control them . A lot of housing problems in Cardiff are down to evictions from Council Properties and people used to be directed to the housing help centre on St Mary Street which was run .....by Cardiff Council

I think you are living in a bit of a utopia and you are definitely barking up the wrong tree if you think voluntary sector organisations are the problem . It's central government , funding and the implementation of housing policy on a local level .

If you do think that specific housing charities in Cardiff are on a jolly then share it with me via pm

Adios

You don't know where to start? I'd advise you 'start' by knowing the subject you're actually discussing instead of dribbling out to us the inner workings of your mind based on your experiences 25 years ago.

Funnily enough, I don't disagree with some of the stuff you have mentioned but some of your thoughts are either subjective myopia or bollocks.

Regards to you butt.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Ha ha I've got far too many!

I didn't say every carer was a lazy B, I said I have a mate who moved back in with his Mum for free board and lodge and to stop working, claims carers allowance although she's just a bit old and can't walk to the shops as easily as she used too. His job is now shopping for them both and some dusting, and yes he's always been a lazy B. Maybe not compared to you, I couldn't be sure but he is compared to me, I suppose it's all relevant?

PS I cared for my Mum, moved her in here, didn't claim a penny, and me, and the Mrs both still worked as well as caring for her last two years, it's what you are supposed to do.

If she's just a bit old he wouldn't get carers allowance

Carers allowance and Attendance Allowance are for people who care for vulnerable people who need help to live independently

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

That's a good point, it's easy for someone not working or paying taxes to say give more, surely it would be better for them to get a job, work, and pay more so it's a better society rather than demanding more money from people who are paying their dues?

So I stopped work to care for my old man and old dear who both died from dementia

Wtf are you talking about , you are as bad as the other pair

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Utter bollocks. It changed when you started calling anyone who disagreed with you a Tory. Soppy ****.

Stop lying

I have fingered you

Get your money out tory boy

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I dont need to reflect on anything, my conscience is clear and your analysis of what I wrote couldnt be further from the truth. I couldnt give two shits about the old bits I gave him, they were going to the dump anyway.

My point was, had I not helped in some small part this piece of shit get back on his feet 20 years ago, who knows, maybe he would not have fathered a now 18 year old daughter and she in turn wouldnt be having a sleepover at his house where one of her friends got raped by this monster.

To suggest I care more about an old TV and sofa than the young girl who was raped, when I have an 18 year old daughter myself, is quite frankly absurd and offensive.

Furthermore, I did not "Grow up" with him, hes someone I knew since teenage years whilst playing junior football and he played for another team.

It's extremely offensive to suggest that the likes or me wether you agree with my anti tory politics or not is somehow associated or responsible for allowing child sex offenders to live in society and its somehow enabled by do gooders

I used to work on housing projects with the young homeless in Cardiff and we did all we could to prevent kids which is what they are from being groomed by sex offenders

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

You don't know where to start? I'd advise you 'start' by knowing the subject you're actually discussing instead of dribbling out to us the inner workings of your mind based on your experiences 25 years ago.

Funnily enough, I don't disagree with some of the stuff you have mentioned but some of your thoughts are either subjective myopia or bollocks.

Regards to you butt.

Well perhaps you can set us on the path of homelessness nirvana with your alternative view

[xsnaggle]

We've been sold this lie for decades. There's so many flaws in this. Biggest one is......if it worked....it would be working and we'd already have a better society. Except we don't do we? We make other people rich by working for other people and are supposed to be grateful for the scraps whilst the suits sniff coke and drink Bollinger and tell us what to spend our money on. Stop peddling this Tory, failed, capitalist rubbish.

What would you suggest is the solution, or part of it? If people who run businesses aren't allowed to get rich because the money is taken to give to others then they won't bother to run a business so anyone they might employ wouldn't have a job. So you'd have more people to give money to and fewer people providing it.

Carry this to its logical conclusion and you have everybody wanting money for nothing and no one working to provide it. The government gets money by taxing people. If you don't work you don't pay tax so the government doesn't have any money to give to you when you don't work.
When you have the solution please let me know, I'll happily sign up for it.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

What would you suggest is the solution, or part of it? If people who run businesses aren't allowed to get rich because the money is taken to give to others then they won't bother to run a business so anyone they might employ wouldn't have a job. So you'd have more people to give money to and fewer people providing it.

Carry this to its logical conclusion and you have everybody wanting money for nothing and no one working to provide it. The government gets money by taxing people. If you don't work you don't pay tax so the government doesn't have any money to give to you when you don't work.
When you have the solution please let me know, I'll happily sign up for it.

Well clearly we need people to make money , people to build and make things , people to clean , people to teach , people to care , people to look after us when we are ill

It's a fine balancing act but things have deffo been tipping in the direction of more money for the rich and less for the needy for too long

[Citizen's Nephew]

What would you suggest is the solution, or part of it? If people who run businesses aren't allowed to get rich because the money is taken to give to others then they won't bother to run a business so anyone they might employ wouldn't have a job. So you'd have more people to give money to and fewer people providing it.

Carry this to its logical conclusion and you have everybody wanting money for nothing and no one working to provide it. The government gets money by taxing people. If you don't work you don't pay tax so the government doesn't have any money to give to you when you don't work.
When you have the solution please let me know, I'll happily sign up for it.

If I had the solution, ironically, I'd be a billionaire and wouldn't be paying my fair share of tax anyway in the world we live in right now.
I'm supposed to bow and doff my cap to our new King Charles III who doesn't work or pay tax (and don't people come back with the bleat about ...yes they do).

Thanks for the economics basics btw and I sure do get and understand the concepts thanks xsnaggle.

The thing is I don't like that world you describe.

[Jordi Culé]

Well perhaps you can set us on the path of homelessness nirvana with your alternative view

Better related services e.g. mental health, substance misuse services, more available housing, generic and supported, better housing services.

Easy really. Not so easy to fund mind.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Better related services e.g. mental health, substance misuse services, more available housing, generic and supported, better housing services.

Easy really. Not so easy to fund mind.

I agree with all of that

But where does this idea that the council are great and the voluntary sector who are dependent on them are frittering away cash whilst the homeless suffer ?

[J R Hartley]

Stop lying

I have fingered you

Get your money out tory boy

I did get my money out I spent about £270 on food and drink in supermarkets last night, of which approx £25-30 was dropped off at the foodbank this morning. No cheap "Stockwells" shit for them either, its Xmas after all. The thank you from the volunteers seemed really genuine too, unlike those that pester people outside supermarkets.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I did get my money out I spent about £270 on food and drink in supermarkets last night, of which approx £25-30 was dropped off at the foodbank this morning. No cheap "Stockwells" shit for them either, its Xmas after all. The thank you from the volunteers seemed really genuine too, unlike those that pester people outside supermarkets.

Top man

That's the spirit

[blue matt]

I did get my money out I spent about £270 on food and drink in supermarkets last night, of which approx £25-30 was dropped off at the foodbank this morning. No cheap "Stockwells" shit for them either, its Xmas after all. The thank you from the volunteers seemed really genuine too, unlike those that pester people outside supermarkets.

I always go with the stockwells cheap stuff, my reasoning is that I can get more for the £ and if you are hungry, surely it doesnt matter if its branded or not, I always buy all the packet noodles aswell ( about 40p a packet ), my reasoning is that they can boil a kettle and have something warm inside them , its a discussion I often have in the foodbank when I take a trolley in, talking of giving, had 3 full trolleys this weekend at our local supermarket that I pick up from, 3 is pretty tidy, its normally one per week

[blue matt]

It seems it’s ok for him to go around calling anyone who disagrees with his communist ideology twats and ****s.

He’s even abusing a moderator but he gets away with it time and time again. He’s obviously got something on Mike.

And yet people wonder why the numbers are down on this forum.

Shove it.

what's better, him banging his keyboard wildly here, or shouting at innocent shoppers outside Tescos, M&S or Waitrose

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

what's better, him banging his keyboard wildly here, or shouting at innocent shoppers outside Tescos, M&S or Waitrose

What's better is you not voting tory in the first place then you wouldn't have to do a bit now and then to ease your karma

[J R Hartley]

I always go with the stockwells cheap stuff, my reasoning is that I can get more for the £ and if you are hungry, surely it doesnt matter if its branded or not, I always buy all the packet noodles aswell ( about 40p a packet ), my reasoning is that they can boil a kettle and have something warm inside them , its a discussion I often have in the foodbank when I take a trolley in, talking of giving, had 3 full trolleys this weekend at our local supermarket that I pick up from, 3 is pretty tidy, its normally one per week

I know it shouldnt matter if its branded or not but some of that Stockwells stuff is rank. The coffee for example. Yuch! I logged onto the foodbanks website and they list what items they have plenty of, what they need.etc so I just filled a basket up with things they need. I dont eat a lot of tinned stuff, its surprising what you can get for £25-30.

[dembethewarrior]

Well if you do you would realise what an incredibly hard job it is and you would try and claim that after caring all day and night for a loved one you would go out enjoying yourself

Because full time carers ......which isn't you as you work so you get a break from the stress .....simply don't chill out and do what people who don't care do .....they are too exhausted

Looking after a child is not caring . It's parenting . If you child had a chronic illness or disability , that's caring

I didn't say looking after my own kid was caring. But all of my time is taken up, between working hard, looking after a family member and having my kid

You've called me out before for choosing my kid on weekends, then said on here you'd have loved to go fishing or down the city but you were too tired.. suggesting you hardly went..that my t-shirt over a jumper wearing friend is trolling. The very thing you spend time crying over.

I'd suggest looking back at how I started on this thread, before you decided to drag my name into it for no reason. I suspect I was polite and rather harmless, until poked. Actions cause reactions, you victim.

[blue matt]

I know it shouldnt matter if its branded or not but some of that Stockwells stuff is rank. The coffee for example. Yuch! I logged onto the foodbanks website and they list what items they have plenty of, what they need.etc so I just filled a basket up with things they need. I dont eat a lot of tinned stuff, its surprising what you can get for £25-30.

I tell you what went down well ( with the staff ) when I delivered the load this week, Fray bentos tinned pies, someone had filled 4 shopping bags with them and put them in, must have been maybe 20 of them

[dembethewarrior]

what's better, him banging his keyboard wildly here, or shouting at innocent shoppers outside Tescos, M&S or Waitrose

[dembethewarrior]

I tell you what went down well ( with the staff ) when I delivered the load this week, Fray bentos tinned pies, someone had filled 4 shopping bags with them and put them in, must have been maybe 20 of them

They aren't what they used to be. Used to love them growing up, just puff pastry now with not a lot inside. Shame.

[J R Hartley]

I tell you what went down well ( with the staff ) when I delivered the load this week, Fray bentos tinned pies, someone had filled 4 shopping bags with them and put them in, must have been maybe 20 of them

I did throw one of those in as there was a £1 off with the clubcard!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I didn't say looking after my own kid was caring. But all of my time is taken up, between working hard, looking after a family member and having my kid

You've called me out before for choosing my kid on weekends, then said on here you'd have loved to go fishing or down the city but you were too tired.. suggesting you hardly went..that my t-shirt over a jumper wearing friend is trolling. The very thing you spend time crying over.

I'd suggest looking back at how I started on this thread, before you decided to drag my name into it for no reason. I suspect I was polite and rather harmless, until poked. Actions cause reactions, you victim.

You said you cared for a family member , worked full time and looked after your kid

You are not a full time carer but we're trying to suggest that you were

If you take it in turns to spend time with an old granny together with family members .....that's not the same as being a single parent of a disabled child that you and you alone are responsible for

I go to the football and go to gigs and go fishing a lot more these days but it's not as much as it was and when I was a full time , full on 24 hour carer I simply didn't have time to myself as its too exhausting and you catch up on sleep

If you see granny a few nights a week or go shopping for her now and again that's great but it's not caring for her in the way some people have to . If you share custody of your daughter you share responsibility and therefore are not having to care for her 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week . If your daughter was in a wheelchair and you didn't have an ex wife to split things then you might have an idea of what you think is a caring role .

I care about my aunty in neath who drinks too much and I see her in the holidays but I am not responsible for her .

I can't be any clearer than that . Now get your money out or you go in the bad room with the rest of them .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So the muppets have bought some food for the less well off

Can't fault them

What do you intend doing or are we going to get 6 months of crap then you will vanish again ?

Get your money out

[J R Hartley]

Well if your parents have now sadly passed whats your excuse for not working now?