Yet another Tory Minister with his snout in the trough

[az city]

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Like I said, it's difficult to highlight my point without pointing out that poor MP behaviour is more widespread than some suggest, without referencing it. Bit of a catch 22 there!

Dunno how old you are, but theres a decent list of various scandals here. I know Blair's government were dogged by it throughout and it's important they are exposed of course, but if used to present some parties as inherently good and others as inherently bad (which I suspect is people's motivation here) then I'm not sure how useful it all is, especially when in some cases it's allegations and not fact at all and everyone has a right to explain themselves before the witchunt starts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_scandals_in_the_United_Kingdom

I dunno, all just seems repetitive to me, but you're right, the current govt aren't shy of creating headlines.

Jimbo, the problem with your argument is I believe the OP was pointing out the depth and depravity of the current Tory scumbags with yet another example of their unceasing corruption.

If you argued that this was or wasn't extensive within the Tory cult that's on point. Going about your normal business of engaging in deflection by suggesting everyone does it is off topic by a long way and classic whataboutery.

If asked the question "are the Tories corrupt?" Your discussion should be about just that not whether the Labour/Liberal Party is too.

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It's not whataboutery. It's more a case of people pointing out the pious hypocrisy.��

ok, to move the discussion along, lets all agree that what's gone on before is heinous. What are you thoughts on the subject matter being discussed?

[JamesWales]

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ok, to move the discussion along, lets all agree that what's gone on before is heinous. What are you thoughts on the subject matter being discussed?

I would say that none of us know the details. That Pippa Crerer is right that it 'raises questions' that it should be investigated and if something wrong had occured he should face the penalty including criminal investigation if appropriate.

I also know that 'raising questions' doesn't mean he's guilty, it doesn't mean 'the govt is corrupt' it doesn't mean it's 'anothrer Tory with his snout in the trough' etc etc.

Due process matters in any liberal democracy. Setting fire to the stake to burn him based on a story in a newspaper is not really the way to go, in my opinion.

Additionally, whilst emphasising that if he's done anything wrong he must face the consequences, I'd add that the looser procurement rules surrounding covid were necessary to aquire PPE and that the govt were under enormous pressure from all sides to relax the normal process, and no doubt some benefitted from that

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James: I don't get involved in the Punch and Judy politics on here and have never voted Labour nor Conservative. However, I cannot remember in all my years such corruption in government. You do come over as an apologist for the current emcumbents in government regardless of your wish to project even-mindedness.

It's incumbent on us all to know how to spell

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That was a wrong decision, not corruption, a decision that those at the top of the Labour, and Conservative, parties thought was justified - they were wrong, but it wasn’t as if they were putting personal profit above national interest like this lot have done time and again.

no. That was definitely corruption. Blair knew he was lying to parliament.

Still not in this shower's league though. There's no longer a facade of pretending to stick to the rules now, it is blatant and open. There's a total disregard for us Plebeians.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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ok, to move the discussion along, lets all agree that what's gone on before is heinous. What are you thoughts on the subject matter being discussed?

You are doing it again , you can't help yourself from always saying yeah but .....

It's embarrassing

Loads of people point it out to you

We can't all be lefty types

Sort yourself out

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You are doing it again , you can't help yourself from always saying yeah but .....

It's embarrassing

Loads of people point it out to you

We can't all be lefty types

Sort yourself out

Good grief. That's not a "yeah but...". Its an attempt to get James to answer the question that was asked rather than engage in the usual whataboutery.