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Sometimes the truth really is stranger than fictionOriginally Posted by life on mars
[QUOTE=Wales-Bales;5364681]That's where you are going wrong then! Trump Russia Collusion, Hunter's Laptop, etc., were all easy peasy nuts to crack. I suggest you get on Amazon for the Black Friday sale and buy yourself a new BS Meter[/QUOTE
Can you give us some examples of what you mean by etc?
https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/g...-on-collusion/
https://www.politico.eu/article/muel...truction-line/
[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;5364907]I can't believe you are still clinging onto this! Enjoy the great reset, it was made for people like youThat's where you are going wrong then! Trump Russia Collusion, Hunter's Laptop, etc., were all easy peasy nuts to crack. I suggest you get on Amazon for the Black Friday sale and buy yourself a new BS Meter
Can you give us some examples of what you mean by etc?
https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/g...-on-collusion/
https://www.politico.eu/article/muel...truction-line/
Gluey has been waving 'Russia Collusion' around for years now as if it was rubbished by the Mueller investigation.
Some sort of 'gotchs' outcome.
It was nothing of the sort.
Trump, his circle and sections of the wider Republican Party were cleared of engaging in a criminal conspiracy with Russia - or rather there was insufficient evidence to meet the standard of proof needed to charge and prosecute.
But that was using 'collusion' in a narrow, technical way. The investigation racked up reams of proof that there was collaboration, co-operation and common interest - against a backdrop of hacks, leaks, and targeted attempts to influence the election outcome from St Petersburg troll and hack farms controlled by a close Putin ally.
Any rational reading of the Mueller investigation files is damning:
1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.
2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.
3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.
4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.
5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.
6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.
7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.
8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.
9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.
10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.
11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.
12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.
13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.
14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration.
If that is the 'Russia Collusion Hoax' that Gluey keeps shouting about, it still looks pretty convincing to me!
Are you going to do a rewrite on the weapons of mass destruction next?
No. Why do you ask?
Are you going to do a rewrite on the weapons of mass destruction next?
There were no weapons of mass destruction. Blair and Bush lied to justify an illegal war.
Trump and the Republicans were on the same page as Putin - with many shared objectives - just not 'colluding' to the extent that a criminal conspiracy charge could be brought.
Let me know if you need that to be explained further.
The person feeding all the dossier nonsense to Steele was an FBI informant who was on their payroll, so they already knew the allegations consisted or made-up BS before a special counsel was even appointed.No. Why do you ask?
There were no weapons of mass destruction. Blair and Bush lied to justify an illegal war.
Trump and the Republicans were on the same page as Putin - with many shared objectives - just not 'colluding' to the extent that a criminal conspiracy charge could be brought.
Let me know if you need that to be explained further.
The Steele Dossier may have been a complete invention - or at least much of it may have been an invention.
The mutual admiration between Trump and Putin, the back channel contacts, the record of collaboration (including real estate money laundering deals) and the activities of St Petersburg based troll farms to aid Trump's election campaign are not an invention.
trump putin 2.jpg
But hey, 'Russia Collusion Hoax!' MAGA MAGA MAGA!
I hope you and your fellow conspiracy theorists will consider donating your brains to medical science one day, as I feel there may be a great discovery awaiting us
Is that all you've got?I hope you and your fellow conspiracy theorists will consider donating your brains to medical science one day, as I feel there may be a great discovery awaiting us
My opinions ar3 based on the findings of the Mueller Report, no more than that - you’re the flart earther here.I hope you and your fellow conspiracy theorists will consider donating your brains to medical science one day, as I feel there may be a great discovery awaiting us
The Mueller Report was based on made-up nonsense, and it was nothing more than a political hit job. That's not to say it wasn't interesting, as we inadvertently learned quite a bit about the dubious elements of US statecraft.
If it was made up nonsense, why have you seized upon it continuously as a justification for your no collusion onslaught in recent years?
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/01...eillance-video
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2270904.html
Another conspiracy case study bites the dust.
WalesBales starts with a bit of innuendo he picked up off Musk and others in his tinfoil twittersphere.
LoM in a rush to curry favour, sprinkled over unfounded nonsense with additional homophobic and mysogynistic overtones.
The reality, that a deranged conspiracist, dining on the same diet that WB and others get their unique insight, smashed his way in with a hammer, hit Paul Pelosi on the head with it and confessed to wanting to cause severe physical harm to Nancy Pelosi and others couldn't possibly be true because the people who manipulate their thoughts into their own said otherwise.
People like WalesBales and LoM should be ashamed of their snide contributions but facts will just slide off their slopey shoulders.
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